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Israel bars U.S. politicians

Discussion in 'Personal' started by cuddlesB4, Aug 15, 2019.

  1. cuddlesB4

    cuddlesB4 New commenter

  2. MAGAorMIGA

    MAGAorMIGA Star commenter

    Trump is determined to get American Jews to vote Republican, even though the main Israel supporters in the USA are the Christofascist Evangelicals.
     
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  3. oldsomeman

    oldsomeman Star commenter

    There speaks the voice of the anti-god.
    In the last days, the devil shall appear as an angel of light!
    A man determined to destroy a nation for his own vanity of thinking all he says is correct!
     
  4. baitranger

    baitranger Occasional commenter

    Yes, they should not have been stopped from visiting the country. How do you feel about these countries banning all Israeli Jews?
    • Syria
    • Iran
    • Iraq
    • Yemen
    • Libya
    • Algeria
    • Bangladesh
    • Brunei
    • Kuwait
    • Lebanon
    • Malaysia
    • Oman
    • Pakistan
    • Sudan
    • Saudi Arabia
    • United Arab Emirates
     
  5. lapinrose

    lapinrose Lead commenter

    Does Israel ban these citizens?
     
  6. artboyusa

    artboyusa Lead commenter

  7. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Lead commenter

    They promote BDS. Hardy surprising. Trump is irrelevant.
     
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  8. cuddlesB4

    cuddlesB4 New commenter

    Trump is saying the Congresswomen should not be allowed to visit Israel. How is that irrelevant?

    Has there ever been a time when a president has ever said to another country they should not allow elected US politicians to visit? Never until now, as far as I know, and both politicians are muslims.

    Quelle surprise.
     
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  9. cuddlesB4

    cuddlesB4 New commenter

    I don't think banning all Israeli Jews is necessary. Next question.
     
  10. burajda

    burajda Star commenter

    No. Citizens of those countries can visit Israel, they can apply for visas like anyone else in the world but need authorisation from Israels ministry for foreign affairs. The problem is to do with their own governments as citizens of those countries would probably find the process easier if their own governments recognised the state of Israel and initiated diplomatic ties with Israel.
     
  11. cuddlesB4

    cuddlesB4 New commenter

    If Trump is irrelevant what is this all about?

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  12. baitranger

    baitranger Occasional commenter

    What, all of them? No, it doesn't. Why are you even asking? Is it better to ask the question in the hope that people will assume that Israel does ban them?

    Well as you know, it doesn't ban them all.

    For example, it's difficult for someone with a Malaysian passport to visit Israel, because their own government has to give approval, and usually don't . Israel doesn't ban them.
    Another example: Syrian citizens can visit Israel with a 90 day visa.
     
  13. cuddlesB4

    cuddlesB4 New commenter

    Another time a black member of Congress was banned from entering a country. January 1975.

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  14. blue451

    blue451 Established commenter

    I'm a little bit puzzled by this.

    I know that Israel frequently refuses permission for people to enter Palestine and that this case is nothing new in that sense. But the fact that they are high profile congresswomen makes it a bit different. Leaving aside the family visit, I'm not sure what these women could actually achieve in Palestine other than publicity and raising awareness of the plight of Palestinians and Israel's refusal seems likely to generate just as much- or more - publicity and chatter as any visit could do.

    So, all I can see that Israel gains from this is Trump's approval, which while important, isn't really in doubt anyway. As far as i can see, they risk losing more than they gain with this.

    At the end of the day, all the protests in the world won't change Israeli behaviour towards Palestine so long as it enjoys support from the US government. And that support is safe, provided public opinion in the US doesn't turn against it.

    ETA
    In fact, just as I post that, up pops this on my twitter feed.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/gdpr...b-lays-bare-its-oppressive-reality/?tid=sm_tw
     
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  15. cuddlesB4

    cuddlesB4 New commenter

    The more light shone on Israel the better. An ever growing number of people are coming to the realisation that Israel is an apartheid state worse even than South Africa was. This episode is no exception.

    Omar and Tlaib are doing a great job of exposing this evil.
     
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  16. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Lead commenter

    Those people are misguided.
     
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  17. MAGAorMIGA

    MAGAorMIGA Star commenter

    I don't go so far as to accuse Israel of being an "apartheid" state, but I can see why people use the term, and it definitely has a human rights problem. The longer the Israeli Occupation goes on (and it's 52 years now) the more glaring the anomalous position of over 2 million Palestinians becomes, deprived of the vote and of the rights of citizens, and the more oppressive the Israeli regime becomes, especially in its use of collective punishment - eg house demolition on the flimsiest of pretexts - against what in effect is a captive population. If it's true that the two-state solution is now dead, then there must be a one-state solution - the Palestinian territories formally annexed by Israel, and its population granted full status as Israeli citizens.
     
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  18. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    Didn't the devil start as an angel of light?
     
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  19. burajda

    burajda Star commenter

    Israel is an apartheid state? So how come Palestinian Arabs who are citizens of Israel have equal rights as Jewish citizens. eg: can vote, stand as MPs, join the security services, enjoy equal access to health, education, services etc. There's certainly discrimination, but comparing Arab citizens of Israel to Africans in apartheid South Africa is ludicrous.
     
  20. burajda

    burajda Star commenter

    Why would Israel give the vote to 2 million people who live in a neighbouring territory that is not part of the Israeli state. Many of those 2 million are Jordanian citizens. They are not denied a vote by Israel, they vote in municipal and presidential elections for their own Palestinian representatives. A vote that is currently being denied by a Hamas boycott and Al Fatah who have cancelled elections. House demolitions do not take place if there is proof of ownership and do not take place in Palestinian adminstered areas where over 90% of Palestinians reside. Most recent illegal demolitions of Palestinian homes have taken place on a large scale by the Egyptian army on their side of the Gaza border.
     

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