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'Isolation units are draconian psychological torture'

Discussion in 'Behaviour' started by Cervinia, Nov 9, 2019.

  1. Cervinia

    Cervinia Occasional commenter

    I am aware that the following sentence is going to cause many a hissy fit among readers, but, frankly, I don’t give a damn. Sending students to isolation rooms is a draconian, outdated form of psychological torture, which should have no place in our education system.

    Now, before anyone says, “How am I supposed to teach my lesson if I can’t send a disruptive studentto isolation?” I would like you to think of the teacher in 1986 saying, “How am I supposed to teach my lesson if I can’t cane the disruptive ones?”

    TES article somewhere on here.
  2. gravell

    gravell New commenter

    OK i'll bite. I personally remember from my school days that the cane was not a deterrent but at least if the pupil was sent to another room so the lesson could continue and the rest of the classes education does not suffer. Now as for isolation room there are essentially two classes of pupil that get sent, there is one who is essentially having "a bad day" and its not aimed at you personally and often at the time there is very little you can do. However I will always make a point in following up with them at some future point in order to discuss what went wrong in the lesson if I send them to isolation. The other type who has some major issues in their life, who regularly cause problems because they can't deal with the school, which I may send to isolation so I can teach the rest of the class. Both of these need support and if it is available in a school I will do my best to ensure its put in place and regardless I will speak to them after the event.
    However shoot me down in flames if you wish I am not naive I'm sure in some occasions isolation does them damage but what about the damage done to the pupils that are trying to learn. Yes these pupils need support, no in the lesson in some case is not the time to do it, yes if I send a pupil to isolation I will always follow up with the pupil and their Head of Year.
    For the record I send perhaps 1 or 2 pupil to isolation a term.
    So in short yes I support isolation room and for the great majority of pupils I think it does very little harm. If a pupils get sent to isolation regularly from a subject or all lessons support from the whole school should be put in place.
  3. meggyd

    meggyd Lead commenter

    As a mum of children who were generally well behaved and had to be good role models for disruptive children throughout their school careers I would ask you about their rights. One of mine spent the vast amount of time in secondary school sitting between two boys, one of whom is now serving a sentence for drug dealing and one who was involved in an attempted murder. She was one of those quiet nice girls who had to suffer this for five years. You may only teach naughty kids two or three times a week, but the kids in the class are usually together 25 hours a week. Add to that the time that Hoys etc spend on these kids and all the counselling etc. Quiet nice kids are often ignored, they know that awards etc are directed at and designed for the naughties. Isolation gives those kids a break. I know some kids have terrible problems but all kids deserve time and praise.
  4. ScienceGuy

    ScienceGuy Established commenter

    Isolation rooms tend to serve two purposes. Firstly, they provide a space for a student who has been very disruptive in a lesson to calm down (and for the lesson to continue without them). Secondly, they can be used as a place of punishment. At my school (anecdotal I know) a day in isolation is used instead of external exclusion. Typically a student will spend one or two days in isolation (more is very unusual) e.g. for fighting, repeated significant disruption. It benefits the student as they are still in school and learning, the parents of the student don't have to arrange for them to be looked after and the classes which the student usually attends have a break.
  5. Corvuscorax

    Corvuscorax Star commenter

    Its a punishment.

    Its a good thing if it is not enjoyed.

    Otherwise it wouldn't work as a deterrent.

    I've got pupils who will immediately shut up and start working if threatened with the isolation room. They probably won't need to be actually removed

    I've got pupils who will not shut up and work if threatened with isolation. They will be removed.

    There are about 20x more students in the first category than the second one.

    either way, win-win
  6. Happyregardless

    Happyregardless Occasional commenter

    No - if they don't behave then it's a consequence - too much namby pamby rubbish about behaviour - about time pupils took some personal responsibility for their own consequences
  7. Corvuscorax

    Corvuscorax Star commenter

    I don't think many teachers ever said that. And the behaviour was much better in the 1980s
  8. Corvuscorax

    Corvuscorax Star commenter

    Its child abuse to fail to discipline children
    ruivascoma and garyconyers like this.
  9. barthd

    barthd New commenter

    ooow interesting! ;) Bring on the TES article...

    What would you suggest is an appropriate consequence to minimalist disruptive behaviour? I have often pondered on the physiological and behavioural question of 'what would happen if there were no consequences?'. I believe that inappropriate leadership and therefore inappropriate consequences would eventually take place. Thoughts?

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