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Is your car park empty at 3pm?

Discussion in 'Headteachers' started by transilvanian, Sep 22, 2012.

  1. This is a strange debate in the papers & on the radio today. Ofsted and Gove&co seem determined to pitch the nation against teachers and schools. What is the wider agenda and aim here?
  2. errrm.....Could it be that OFSTED and Gove regard state education as the home of the plebs, and they are irritated at the lack of deference?
    Just a thought like...
  3. nomad

    nomad Star commenter

    It's about driving schools into the arms of the academy system, within which they become businesses and the instruction of children is a commodity to be traded and sold by concerns driven by commercial imperatives rather than pedagogy.
    It's the philosophy of the free market imported into the education sphere and being grafted on by inference that the existing state system is somehow not fit for purpose.
  4. Marshall

    Marshall Star commenter

    Nomad - I agree but don't know the answer - particularly for small rural village schools.
  5. whiskyforme

    whiskyforme New commenter

    I am not a happy
    man.. After working 2 - 14hours days this week. governors then PTA function. (and
    now working on a Saturday) I am truly insulted by this man. What is worse I
    almost understand what he is saying... there are a few (very few) teachers who
    have climbed to UPS3 by doing the bare minimum of their job. (another debatable
    point) but they get to that point because of the vague 'rules' and once in
    receipt of UPS3 it is near impossible to take it away. and now Wilshaw wants to
    punish heads for an inherited system. And when I say punish heads I mean it because
    when the school goes down a grade it is our reputation and our jobs that are on
    the line. Not a happy head here... and
    rant a little further – what will this do for the future leadership of our
    schools. I love my job, But I am struggling to recommend it to
    aspiring leaders at the moment.
  6. Surely, teachers and especially head teachers are pretty much Tory electoral gold. A whole swathe of very conservative, daily mail/telegraph reading, radio 2 listening, rule abiding, obedient, comfortable shoe wearing, speed limit abiding, pro tax paying, model citizens. Do we need to harness the hush puppies, shine up the elbow pads and perhaps consider saying something? Union leaders are enjoying having their say but a lot of this seems to be self promoting or they can't actually speak in whole sentences in public. The other answer is to ignore the news, local authority vanishing act magic shows, big profit making take over machines and their white teethed steely sincerity and just hope nothing too bad happens. What can we do? Couldn't the unions at least sit down together and stand up again united (preferably with a front man/ woman who isn't sarcastic or nasty and can speak clearly)?
  7. frymeariver

    frymeariver New commenter

    At the end of a 14 hour day my shoes don't always feel that comfortable!
  8. anon2799

    anon2799 New commenter

    A whole swathe of very conservative, daily mail/telegraph reading, radio 2 listening, rule abiding, obedient, comfortable shoe wearing, speed limit abiding, pro tax paying, model citizens.

    I'm struggling to think of a single head I know who fits this image, and I know hundreds of heads!

    Curly - Socialist (not labour, too right wing for me), guardian reading, 6 music listening, occasionally rule breaking, bloody belligerent and openly defiant and intolerant of numpties, high heel wearing, unclean driving licence holding,model citizen (you got me on the last one - I always pay my taxes and I am very happy to do so)
  9. harsh-but-fair

    harsh-but-fair Star commenter

    There's no money to be made out of small schools. They'll either be closed (remember bigger is better in the world of globalisation) or the LA will be allowed to keep them as they won't matter.
  10. In answer to your question - NO my school car park is NOT emptied by 3pm!!
    TAs and office staff usually go about 1/2 hr after end of school day, so 3:45ish.
    Teachers usually go about 2 or 3 hours after the end of the school day, so 5/6ish.
    Very cross about the stupid accusations from Michael W recently - it's like he has never actually worked in a school!!!!!
  11. This isn't my point. We are all individuals and I made these comments to emphasise a point. I'm not deriding teachers. I am making the point that we are part of the electorate too and quite likely to vote in large numbers. Many teachers are quite openly conservative (note the small 'c'), proudly so in many cases and old Gove and his whipping boy should be courting us. I think our Ofsted chief is thinking his words and actions will help school leaders but he just winds everyone up and lowers national opinion.
  12. strawbs

    strawbs Established commenter

    So a member of staff who leaves promptly because of childcare reasons, but does 4 hrs work at home each night should NOT get a pay rise; but one who stays in school until 6pm fannying around and then does no work at home should? [​IMG]
  13. ianj6

    ianj6 New commenter

    Got to agree strawbs; 2 of the hardest working colleagues I know are both single Mum's who need to go at 330-4, but work till late after they put the kids to bed. I don't have child care issues so can stay in work till 5-6, but the time my car spends inthe carpark is irrelavant to the time worked!
    The argument is discriminatory, and unfair
  14. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

    What time do the people working in his office leave?
    And if the reply is any time at all after the end of their official working day, then what is he doing to remedy the issues of workload management and the duty of care to his staff?
    Best wishes
    Meet Theo on line on the TES JobSeekers Forum, every week in print in the TES magazine, or in person at one of the TES Careers Advice Service seminars or individual consultations.
  15. For once on the forum the collective blood is boiling.
  16. Agree entirely. I used to get in at 7am every morning; before the head but go home at 3.30 most days due to childcare, then work when kids were in bed.

  17. On a more mild note, we have the best in the morning verses best in the evening debate. If you are somebody who starts at 7am, and start to flag about 4pm, you invariably get into, not exactly conflict, but stress with those who start about 8.15, but want you and themselves to work late planning and having meetings and so on. I remember a recent time when the timetable was tricky and the SMT told us we must have 'twilight' sessions...I refused, but offered to have 'dawn' sessions with the students at 7.30. This was never resolved very satisfactorily not least because the students stayed up late on their computers, and found it hard to roll in so early. Indeed they found it hard to roll in earlier than 10am more often than not!
    One benefit of 'dawn' sessions (not only events that include students) is that extra curricular, or things like Theatre trips were easier to do after school if you weren't hanging about at some (usually pointless) meeting or something.
    Some people work better earlier than late...I am in awe of those teachers who can roll in at 8.29, and start at 8.30...couldn't do it myself that's for sure.
  18. internationalschools

    internationalschools New commenter

    Even if it is empty by 3, does that mean that no one is doing work at home?? Has this man ever heard of memory sticks or email?? Some teachers like to go home as soon as the kids leave to pick up their own kids, or to beat the rush hour, but many of them then mark and plan after dinner.
  19. Twice a week I am out the door just after the bell. I'm home within 20 minutes and I immediately go to my nice home office to do my prep, marking etc. It is quiet, I have access to decent coffee and I can smoke as I work (ooooh she smokes!) I work through until six and then make tea and I am back at my computer for 7 until 9.
    On the other three days there are meetings to attend, planning events, parents to see, so I stay in school untl about 6 oclock. 20minutes after that I get home, make tea and I 'm back in my home office until 9.
    Sunday evenng, after Mass, I work 7 until 9.
    So if this community hatred of Teachers esculates, I have plenty ofroom to manouver. I'll stick to my 1265 hours and turn my home office into a craft room!
  20. casper

    casper New commenter

    There have been times when my heating has been turned off at 3pm. Well the pupils have gone home, but I still have a lot of work to do. So yes, I have gone home as it has been too cold to work in my Department. So I go home have a cup of tea and continue working in a decent temperature. In the summer I am often at school until 5 or 6. Most Sunday afternoons I spend working like many teachers across the country. When it comes to coursework marking I spend whole weekends doing that. I know many teachers with young children that start their work when the children have gone to bed.

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