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Discussion in 'Personal' started by oldsomeman, Apr 21, 2019.
UK nearly 5 million nationals living abroad.
Your point being .....?
Given the choice I would be out there with them. The UK is not a nice place, unless you happen to be filthy rich, but most of the filthy rich "Brits" probably don't live here anyway, they just suck the money they make out of here.
Oddly, you've hit the nail on the head there, Madge. It's quite an achievement for a bean counter's tea stirrer's mate to work that out, so well done.
For the benefit of everyone else, at the time the comment was made to me, it had long been possible to get into nursing as an SEN, without the need of a qualification, although I suspect you might have needed something to become a SRN.
Nursing was viewed as a good career for the less academically able, but compassionate school leaver to get into; and if they wanted to stick at it, there were opportunities to progress.
The comment needs to be seen from the point of view of the person who made it. Someone who had struggled at school, but was doing a useful and valued job she enjoyed, being effectively told that things were going to change and progression in nursing would require qualifications up to degree level.
The main difference was that you could only become an SEN after a two-year course, while the course for SRNs was three years in length.
The entry requirement for either course was five GCE O levels.
(Information from my wife, who trained as an SRN).
Not according to this. https://www.employment-studies.co.uk/system/files/resources/files/344.pdf
"A number of factors combined to change this situation in the1960s. The term 'Assistant' was removed in 1961, giving a newtitle of State Enrolled Nurse. Intakes to training began to growand the qualification was extended to 'mental illness' and 'mentalhandicap' nursing. Entry requirements for nursing wereconfirmed as two 'O' levels for enrolled nurses and five 'O' levelsfor registered nurses."
I once worked as a secretary in the school of Nursing at Guy's Hospital. The minimum entrance requirement for SEN was two O levels and five for SRN but, because Guy's was so prestigious, many of the SEN applicants had several O levels and most SRN applicants had A levels or a degree.
My mother was a primary school teacher [she's retired now].
Didn't go to University, went to Teacher Training College... didn't need a degree back then.
Don't worry - once we have Brexit - the numbers of talented young people emigrating from these shores will become a flood.
You don't believe me ? - my wife works in a very high powered research institute (has a number of Nobel prize winners in it) - funded to a large extent from the EU and containing researchers of many nationalities. In about a year the current funding cycle will run out. Due to our wonderful government and short sighted electorate many of the EU staff are making plans to leave - they will take a number of their British research students with them.
How many do you think will come back ?
I thought you were for freedom of movement?
Bit rich to complain out people emigrating when you've not shown any concern for the impact of our immigration on the countries people have been leaving. Now you are concerned...
I am for free movement and I'm not complaining about people emigrating - i regret I didn't stay in Canada when I had the choice in many ways.
Fair enough. My wife trained in the 1950s.
You didn't need a degree (just 5 Olevels at some colleges) in 1973 when I left school. I left teacher training college after a term and 8 years later when I tried again you needed a degree.
My mum was an Enrolled Nurse in the late 40s/ early 50s and had no O levels whatsoever.
M sister is a nurse - she started out life with a degree in politics.
Which has come in quite handy in her career I might add.
The old Cert Ed needed 5 O levels. They dropped the Cert Ed in the mid 70s and teaching became a graduate profession. There may be a few cert eds still teaching but they would be well into their 60s now.
Same here. I went to a 3-year course in teaching based upon O and A levels.
Did you pass English ?
Could you argue that you do not actually need a degree to teach, I have seen TA's teaching better than degree level teachers?
Labour proved it when it introduced the idea of od TA's taking over the role of delivery in classrooms,
So the wider point is do we hype up the need for qualifications to force folk to become university fodder? I can see the point of gaining a higher education qualification, but do we actually need degrees for entry into this job and other jobs (by the way I tend to see teaching and many other careers as just jobs, not professions).
Well said Olds.
I am saving that one