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Is there any point in a UK teacher applying for US schools?

Discussion in 'Teaching abroad' started by BarryRiley, Oct 8, 2019.

  1. BarryRiley

    BarryRiley New commenter

    I mean international schools, not ones in the US? There seem to be some really well-renowned US International schools but I don't want to waste my time applying if there's no chance of a UK trained teacher getting the job. I teach a STEM subject and so there wouldn't be much difference in overall content unlike something like History, but looking at their Search profiles it seems that they have only a handful of UK teachers.

    Would I have a chance or would I be at the bottom of the pile?
     
  2. PuRe

    PuRe Occasional commenter

    Well you have actually answered your own question by stating that they had already hired UK teachers. I actually work in a US school and I thought like you initially but the school is a top tier one and I thought what have I got to lose and here I am going into my 5th year. Go get that role!
     
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  3. BarryRiley

    BarryRiley New commenter

    Thanks. I just thought that since some of them have 5 UK teachers and 80 US ones that there would be a reason (maybe those 5 UK teachers were trained in the US system or something)

    Thanks
     
  4. gulfgolf

    gulfgolf Established commenter

    Some UK teachers self-select not to apply, and others botch the interview by appearing to lack flexibility or knowledge of the school/US approach. If you both apply and demonstrate a US-friendly approach, you just might see success.
    There are a few US schools out there that can only hire US citizens, but mostly schools just do what they want to do.
     
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  5. the hippo

    the hippo Lead commenter Community helper

    As usual, gulfers is right, yet again. Yes, it is true that lots of Brits don't even bother applying to US schools. And yes, it is true that some American schools really do prefer to hire all-American teachers, with real US accreditation, American passports etc., but a lot of international schools are usually a bit more flexible than that.

    Well, you will never get the job offer if you do not apply for the job! I have had Brit colleagues who worked in "American" international schools and on the whole they liked it. And the salary is usually better!
     
  6. makhnovite

    makhnovite Established commenter

    While agreeing with my esteemed colleagues, there is an additional reason for the lack of UK teachers in US international schools and that is; the recruiters feel more at home with their own nationals, the terminology is the same, their experience is readily accessible rather than needing expalnation etc. In addition don't forget there are as many bad administrators in US curriculuum schools as their are bad senior managers in UK and IB curriculuum schools!!!
     
  7. mm71

    mm71 Occasional commenter

    It depends on visa arrangements too. I worked in the US at a British International school and went out on an E4 visa. I could only work for that school because of my "specialist skills" with the UK curriculum. However, some prefer local hires such as the spouses of people already over there on a visa as they are cheaper to pay, don't cause a cost for pursuing the visa and are easier to get rid of.
     
  8. loranp

    loranp New commenter

    My only concern would be the ability to get a visa. A lot of schools use the H-1vB visa, which the Trump admin is making more difficult to obtain.

    As per mm71 above, I worked for a chain of schools in the US and had an E2 visa. I now have a green card and work in a state High School.
     
  9. dumbbells66

    dumbbells66 Lead commenter

    i think you both have the wrong end of the stick. they are asking about international American schools around the world, not applying to work in the US.
     
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  10. percy topliss

    percy topliss Occasional commenter

    Of course there is! Most Americans are not very intelligent and are amazed when you tell them that there are 2 ll's in counsellor. They also have absolutely no idea what satire is so you get a couple of years free "****" taking before they actually work out that they are the joke. Obviously the downside can be that if you don't eat burgers for breakfast, lunch and dinner you may not fit in, however, with Americans fitting in means being massive so thats not too bad. They also have exams which most 8 year olds can pass in order to make sure that their universities can keep them until they are about 28 in order to get a BA in Liberal Arts, after which you need to get an MA in something which is the equivalent of a BA anywhere else in the world. Don't hesitate! Go for it.....

    By the way....are you bragging about STEM? and rubbishing History? Go and work at an American school dear boy, I hope you get what you deserve......

    (dear TES, the whole of this is completely toungue in cheek, except the bit about being up him/her self with stem, I hate that rubbish, we are all teachers)

    Perce
     
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  11. BarryRiley

    BarryRiley New commenter

    What I meant by the STEM comment is that STEM in schools is essentially the same the world over whereas the humanities can vary massively. That's all. Nothing about STEM being on top
     
  12. BarryRiley

    BarryRiley New commenter

    Well it wouldn't be a US visa in an international non-US school
     
  13. amysdad

    amysdad Established commenter

    Personally, I've always found that US international schools (or US curriculum influenced schools) are less likely to recruit UK teachers than the other way round. I think that it's actually more difficult for US teachers in a UK school because of the much higher level of prescriptive content, especially at KS3 and IGCSE levels, but it's much easier - eventually - to adjust the other way. There's also a degree of familiarity - I can think of one school I considered until I realized almost all staff had qualified in New Brunswick and just got the feeling I'd never quite fit in!
     
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  14. yasf

    yasf Occasional commenter

    As someone who's done a Masters in the US and the UK, this bit does have an element of truth to it.
    I find that they're fine with you once you've actually worked in an American school already. It does take a bit of a mind shift (and not one that I want to make the other way now - I'm a convert.)
     
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  15. Unconventional33

    Unconventional33 New commenter

  16. dumbbells66

    dumbbells66 Lead commenter

    It always annoys me how they have to clap at everything
     
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  17. makhnovite

    makhnovite Established commenter

    Never mind the claping what about the constant whooping!!! And how even the most ordinary thing is always AWESOME!!!!!

    And don't get me started on the sheer paucity of their curriculum/curricula !!!
     
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  18. yasf

    yasf Occasional commenter

    It can grate our British ears, but the kids do seem to like it.
     

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