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Is there a conversion course for secondary teachers to teach Maths?

Discussion in 'Mathematics' started by t3acher, Jan 6, 2009.

  1. Hi all, Just a quick question.

    A colleague of mine has asked about becoming a maths teacher.... currently qualified to teach RE / History. He has had no luck with the TDA, or a local university....i have heard of a conversion course that lasts about eight weeks.

    Anyone got anymore detailed information on this would be much appreciated? Univeristies or websites with further detail would be great

    Thanks.
     
  2. Hi all, Just a quick question.

    A colleague of mine has asked about becoming a maths teacher.... currently qualified to teach RE / History. He has had no luck with the TDA, or a local university....i have heard of a conversion course that lasts about eight weeks.

    Anyone got anymore detailed information on this would be much appreciated? Univeristies or websites with further detail would be great

    Thanks.
     
  3. Sadly the TDA have been spectacularly inept at ensuring that folks such as your colleague are catered for. The sheer numbers of, for one clear example, DT traind teachers who were no longer required to teach DT when it moved from being a compulsory KS4 subject to optional was huge. Many of these have been drafted into teaching other subjects (often Maths) but have not had any training whereas many want it.

    Too many of these staff are lucky if they get a 1 day training session run by Dragonfly or similar which are no way sufficient - they are more suitable for someone doing an odd group here or there not a whole timetable subject change.

    TDA need to ensure that substantial courses exist to meet this need - it would be one step towards closing the huge staffing crisis that exists in Maths.

    I have raised this matter with the TDA previously and been told that "such a course would not meet our criteria" and they then passed my comment off onto courses like http://www.tda.gov.uk/Recruit/thetrainingprocess/pretrainingcourses/subjectenhancementextensioncourses.aspx which is a pre-PGCE course and not aimed at currently practicing teachers.

    The TDA are wholly inept at any sort of constructive thinking in my experience. If it is even close to the edge of the box they get dizzy let alone anything outside of the neat little boxes that they currently have.

    The sad fact is that, to the best of my knowledge, the best bet your colleague has it to find a school who will give them a proper developmental maths timetable for a year (ie. 60% teaching max) with lots of observations and meetings with other maths teachers in the school and a formal developmental program run by a named suutably qualified member of the maths team to work on mathematical pedagogy etc..
     
  4. the ou has a teaching algebra, geometrry and statistics , teaching mathamatical thinking modual
     
  5. Illumination

    Illumination New commenter

    It sounds as though you are thinking of the Mathematics Development Programme for Teachers - brief details for the current academic year can be found here: http://www.mei.org.uk/News/tda_programme.shtml

    This is the second year of the pilot programme but the tutors at the universities may be able to give you information about next year.
     
  6. frustum

    frustum Established commenter

    Details of the OU courses are here:
    http://www3.open.ac.uk/courses/bin/p12.dll?Q01E07
    You can do individual courses without doing the whole diploma.

    Sadly that one doesn't seem to have attracted TDA funding in the same way.
     
  7. bombaysapphire

    bombaysapphire Star commenter

    I don't have any details but friend of my recently did a course at Wolverhampton University that gave her a PGCE in Maths, she was converting from another subject. It ran one day a week throughout the year. There was a lot of work involved but it means that she is now a qualified Maths teacher.
     
  8. Can I back up Frustrum's suggestion? The OU maths courses lead to a Grad Dip in Maths Ed and are great. I am a maths specialist, but still got a lot out of them.

     


  9. Thanks all! It was the pilot course i was thinking of but agree that the ou course looks very interesting. I'll pass on the info to my colleague.

    He doesn't really want to take on the job of maths teacher without some maths specific training and i'm completely behind him on that.



    Thanks again for this.
     
  10. frustum

    frustum Established commenter

    I'd quite like to see a requirement for schools who are employing teachers outside their subject area to fund and provide time for those teachers to do appropriate courses. Too often it is left to the individual to fight for it, or do it in their own time and at their own expense.
     
  11. Agree 100% Frustrum.

    Or shoudl that be "Me too"?
     
  12. headofmaths

    headofmaths New commenter

    I'm sure there was a course at Brighton but the school had to timetable you to teach some maths already.

    It was something along the lines of training for non specialist maths teachers.

     
  13. jco

    jco New commenter

    You may come back to this so here goes:
    There are training courses funded by the TDA. They pay your fees, supply cover and a £5k bonus if you finish the training. Sounds good to me. Check out the TDA website or your local uni.
     
  14. Anybody got any thoughts on conversion courses for grumpy sarcastic teachers back to happy contented teachers ?

    I definitely need to find one
     

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