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Is the BBC changing its tune?

Discussion in 'Personal' started by T34, Nov 7, 2018.

  1. T34

    T34 Lead commenter

    I've just heard the previous "hard border" for NI referred to instead as an "old fashioned border" - a much less critical term.
    Shortly afterwards a labour politician who wanted parliament to reject Theresa May's deal when it is put before parliament was berated by (I think) Nick Robinson, who pointed out that this is a time for the country to be put first, not party politics. Another first.

    They have seen which way the wind is blowing and decided they want to keep their jobs, perhaps?
  2. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    Nic Robinson interviewing Sir Keir Starmer.

    I think you are reading too much into it. I heard it as a 'playing devil's advocate' question designed to get a response from Starmer on the issue of the duty of the opposition. Not that it was the view of the BBC or of Robinson. I wouldn't describe it as 'berated' by any stretch of the imagination, a typical political interview question.
  3. T34

    T34 Lead commenter

    Mmm..the BBC chooses its words carefully.
    But a question not previously asked by the BBC, although they have had numerous opportunities. Having a disunited nation must have weakened May's negotiation position.
  4. sparkleghirl

    sparkleghirl Star commenter

    It could be the beginning of a campaign to rebrand the idea to make it less unpalatable to the population. The Irish, north and south of the border, know what it will mean but if the rest of the population can be persuaded that it's not a hard border but an 'old-fashioned' one, that chimes in with the notion of traditional values and glories and so can be dressed up as 'what the people voted for'.

    It's the BBC manipulating public opinion. Again. It's a state broadcaster, not a public service.
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  5. Burndenpark

    Burndenpark Star commenter

    It could be, but...

    Wouldn't that mean that we were getting the same sort of "old fashioned border" that went along with the old fashioned sectarian violence?

    I'm not sure it really sounds any better if put like that.
  6. sadscientist

    sadscientist Senior commenter

    I don't think "the BBC" is one entity in terms of its news and current affairs. It's impossible to present it without some degree of context and editorial input, but the flagship News bulletins, Newsnight and R4 Today (for instance) vary according the the editor of the day. BBC Online is OK for following breaking stories, but otherwise is just fast food for people who aren't particularly interested in current affairs anyway.
  7. sparkleghirl

    sparkleghirl Star commenter

    Of course not, the reality remains as bleak.
    It's how you sell it and the idea of old-fashioned british values will, for many leave voters, outweigh by a long shot the risk of a return to sectarian violence which they probably see as not affecting them - hence my comment about the irish knowing what the implcations of such a border are.
  8. Burndenpark

    Burndenpark Star commenter

    And above a certain age: Brummies, Mancunians Londoners, people from Deal (Dealights?) ...
  9. sparkleghirl

    sparkleghirl Star commenter

    Oh, I know, believe me. A hard border is a catastrophic idea. So they need to put a 'positive' spin on it, and to most leave voters, old-fashioned values will make it sound more positive or at least less negative.

    I don't think it's right at all, but I think that's the cynical reason behind the use of the term.
  10. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    GB only became aware of NI in 1968. After Bloody Sunday it dawned on GB that things were more complicated than uppity colonials needing a whiff of grapeshot. It was at this point that GB became aware of the border and put armed checkpoints and intelligence gathering stations up. This is the hard border that some seem to refer to: the old-fashioned border wasn't like this.
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  11. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    The troubles in NI pre-date 1968. The old-fashioned border was run at a time 1956-61 of a previous IRA insurgency with much less armament. 1972 in Derry changed things.
  12. Burndenpark

    Burndenpark Star commenter

    Maybe without the watch towers and guns, but there must have been checks and controls on what and who went through?

    Certainly if NI leaves the customs union I would think there has to be- otherwise what will stop the swarms of migrants going to Eire then popping over to the boarder to get the free council houses, benefits and NHS operations they all come to the UK for*?

    *Using Brexiteer speak
  13. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    The Irish won't be too worried, either, about violence. There were a couple of bad incidents but generally they escaped much as GB did. The Northern Irish will see things differently.
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  14. Burndenpark

    Burndenpark Star commenter

    Don't forget they will be very worried about the economic fallout.
  15. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    What went through. People weren't dragged from cars unless they were suspected of smuggling contraband. Generally, smuggled contraband for personal use wasn't a problem.
  16. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    The RoI isn't in Schengen and there will be freedom of movement for British Isles citizens as far as I know.
  17. T34

    T34 Lead commenter

    If I have to do a Nostradamus, which I don't - but I will...I predict too a change in attitude towards Trump.
    The jokes will become "nicer", less insulting, even almost affectionate. He will be referred to at least sometimes, as "the president" rather than "Donald Trump" (with a sneer).
    His good performance in the recent elections and the prospect of a second term may have something to do with this.

    And the term "populist" will lose its derogatory connotation.
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  18. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    'Men (or women) from Kent' is the term for those born in east Kent (not me, BTW, I'm a 'Kentish Man';))
  19. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    Donald has done quite well considering.
  20. sparkleghirl

    sparkleghirl Star commenter

    And they'll talk warmly about Bolsonaro, maybe even Duterte and Salvini, and whoever the next ones are. Because there will be more, unless we can turn the tide.

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