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Is teaching any more one of the professions

Discussion in 'Education news' started by hammie, Jul 2, 2018.

  1. hammie

    hammie Lead commenter

    With so many other non-qualified people telling us how to do the job, I don't think it is.
    It is now a tick box job, professionals don't work like that.
    Professional are responsible for their own development, teachers are treated like mindless idiots by managers who micromanage their development
    BetterNow likes this.
  2. Timothy_Blue

    Timothy_Blue Lead commenter

    Not since the 1990s when New Labour got its hands stuck in.
    andrew07 and agathamorse like this.
  3. snitzelvonkrumm

    snitzelvonkrumm Occasional commenter

    I do my best to say yes, it is an honourable and worthy profession.
    The belief/hope is that if I behave like a professional I will be respected as a professional. This is hardly a foolproof strategy. I have certainly come across a minority of fools but on the whole, I do feel respected.
    It is clearly a doubled edged sword. It certainly helps if treated like a professional by students, parents, admin and the government.
    rideemcowboy and -Maximilian- like this.
  4. binaryhex

    binaryhex Lead commenter

    Teachers are not listened to. The so-called Collge of Teaching is open to anyone and seems to have more non-practising non-teachers as members than teachers. Many classes do not have a specialist teacher or even a qualified teacher. There are few barriers to entry. Qualification has become a meaningless tick box affair by mentors with no time. The pay is not enough to even buy a small property in 99% of the UK. Teachers can be moved on easily at the whim of Heads. Teachers cannot teach their passion but have been deskilled and must teach a series of tick boxes to get through an exam syllabus.

    Teaching stopped being a real profession when the unions got castrated and forgot they had a penis, about a decade ago. It has got steadily worse every year. Now, it is a just a job that many dream of escaping.
  5. nervousned

    nervousned Senior commenter

    Afraid it's more like working as a lackey at a shop than a professional job.
  6. drvs

    drvs Star commenter

    Wine o'clock rant? Your statements reflect my recent experience in state and international schools, but not in UK independent and not in my first state school. There are still pockets of professionalism but in state it seems to be being bred out quite rapidly.
  7. Oldfashioned

    Oldfashioned Senior commenter

    We are nothing more than baby sitters and entertainers. Everyone tells us how to do our job and a myriad of ****** come in and judge us based on their own preconceived ideas of what a lesson should be.
    tenpast7, Shedman, MarieAnn18 and 3 others like this.
  8. David Getling

    David Getling Senior commenter

    Despite the frantic efforts of so many teachers to convince people otherwise, teaching hasn't been a profession for quite a few decades. In fact SLT are more like Victorian mill owners. Though I suspect that even these displayed considerably more moral fibre than SLT.
    Mrsmumbles, tenpast7, Shedman and 3 others like this.
  9. Jolly_Roger15

    Jolly_Roger15 Star commenter

    I started my teaching career thinking of myself as a professional, in that I was trusted to do a professional job and given the latitude of do it in my own way. Then, it was the outcome that was important, not so much the process. By the end of my career, I did not think of myself as a professional as I felt profoundly distrusted, by my managers who subjected me to continual, capricious, and arbitrary scrutiny. I felt about as trusted as the inmate of high security prison who has wandered too near the wall of the exercise yard.
  10. elder_cat

    elder_cat Established commenter

    You have very little control over how other people see you. I am not sure doctors, dentists and lawyers are regarded as a professionals, in the same way and to the same degree, that they were in years gone by. Chartered status might afford some degree of recognition between teachers themselves, but I think it would make little difference to the view of others outside the profession.
  11. hammie

    hammie Lead commenter

    nah, don't drink now. But I agree with the rest of your comments. There are a decreasing number of schools that treat teachers as professionals and seem to have less problems retaining staff.
  12. hammie

    hammie Lead commenter

    Comment of the year for me so far! Certainly sums up my experience over 30 years or so. Feels worse in Primary than most secondaries too.
  13. baxterbasics

    baxterbasics Senior commenter

    I agree that professionalism is all about being trusted to put your knowledge and teaching skills to their best use.

    In my last school, every classroom had the following on the wall:

    "Non-negotiables for learning:

    Welcome class
    Fix It purple pen time
    Powerpoint or visual stimulus for visual learners
    pace and engagement
    AFL/ AOL or peer assessment
    varied activies

    Plus there seemed to be learning walks all the time.

    The trust has gone and teachers are treated no better than harrassed shop workers, with managers breathing down their necks and making threats on a regular basis .

    I can no longer be a part of this threatening system (while at the same time, kids seem to be given more freedom than ever to disrupt the learning of others - oh, sorry. I forgot, their lapses in behaviour are because the teacher's lessons failed to engage the student)
  14. David Getling

    David Getling Senior commenter

    Baxter, if it had been my classroom I'd have removed the stupid sign and replaced it with; My classroom, my rules.
    Your comment about disruption reminds me of one head who was a total imbecile. She was very fond of saying there's no such thing as a lazy child.
  15. Jolly_Roger15

    Jolly_Roger15 Star commenter

    This is on a par with 'there is no such thing as poor students, just poor teachers'.:mad:

    Can you imagine a surgeon tolerating being interrupted in the middle of an operation to be nagged about how many rubber gloves they have used over the last month?
  16. baxterbasics

    baxterbasics Senior commenter

    Yes, but sadly if I was ever observed there (I was only there a couple of weeks), missing out any of the school's non-negotiables could have led to a failed lesson observation and repeat observation. If that didn't work, a "support plan" would inevitably follow.

    Your quote remind of the advice that I was given when I started teaching, when the madness had already started to be entrenched in schools, "five praises to every criticism". That golden rule was supposed to work as a motivator for even the most restive of pupils.
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  17. Jolly_Roger15

    Jolly_Roger15 Star commenter

    Another nail in the coffin of teachers as professionals was the inclusion of 'implementation of a whole department/school initiative' in the performance criteria of everyone form the caretaker upwards. :(
    tenpast7 and agathamorse like this.
  18. JaquesJaquesLiverot

    JaquesJaquesLiverot Established commenter

    It was always my understanding that a profession had a governing body, so it wasn't a profession prior to the creation of the GTC in 2000. In that sense it's more of a profession than it used to be.
  19. phlogiston

    phlogiston Star commenter

    The word "professional" is too vague to have much meaning in terms of employment these days.
    Teachers have always been employees working at the direction of their headteacher. Elements of the curriculum have been externally directed for longer than I've been alive.
    agathamorse likes this.
  20. Jolly_Roger15

    Jolly_Roger15 Star commenter

    Professional bodies, the GMC for example, consists o qualified practitioners of that profession, unlike the GTC.
    CheeseMongler likes this.

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