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Is John Humphrys right?

Discussion in 'Personal' started by red_observer, Oct 17, 2020.

  1. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

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  2. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    Unless we take measures to greatly curb transmission, we will see many, many knock on effects that are worse than what we are doing.

    UK excess deaths 65000

    NZ deaths from Covid: 25
  3. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    Like what though ? With respect to you and you know I do... like what?
  4. Burndenpark

    Burndenpark Star commenter

    and that includes 3 sheep and a hobbit
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  5. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    Well, if I saw those figures, the first question I'd have would be "Wow, what did they do?"
  6. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    I agree New Zealand is a good model
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  7. peter12171

    peter12171 Star commenter

    But a completely different situation to the UK.
  8. modelmaker

    modelmaker Star commenter

    Yes. They only have 120 seats to fill in their parliament. We have to find some 650 utter to$$pots before our parliament can sit and the silliest thing about that is there is that there ain't enough seats in the Commons for them to sit on anyway. It wouldn't be so bad if they allowed those of our politicians who can't find a seat when important debates are taking place, bring those folding camping chairs to work with them, but no. That would be far too sensible, wouldn't it?
  9. install

    install Star commenter

    In answer to the thread title- he is wrong.Fear is not driving anything. Many people are in fact very casual in their approach to the virus. As indeed our leaders have been - along with their advisors.

    We merely follow whatever Scotland does now. They decide what to do and weeks later we follow. It isn’t fear - its the opposite: complacency.
  10. Corvuscorax20

    Corvuscorax20 Lead commenter

    like the thousands left incapacitated and disabled, unable to work, unable to live their lives, likely to be reliant on state aid for ever,
  11. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Their population is 5 million. Their pop density is 18 to our 281 (per km). We have a major global travel and business hub.

    You really think there's a comparison?
  12. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    That’s not answering the question though...
  13. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    What’s their death rate as a percentage to ours?
  14. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter


    Other, more populous countries are available, also with very low numbers of deaths.

    NZ also hugely outperformed Sweden, which has 25 people per km, so very, very similar.
  15. old_dobbin

    old_dobbin Occasional commenter

    The Humphrys' article is an example of limited thinking, simplifying a very complex issue. There are about 12 million people over the age of 65 in the UK. In addition, there are large numbers of people who are particularly vulnerable because of medical conditions. 28% of the adult population is obese, putting them at extra risk , not to mention people with darker skins being at higher risk. So we would have millions of people who would have to be isolated , and not only in care homes but in hospitals. They would all need shopping delivered to them. Many of them live with younger people, sharing toilets, bathrooms and living rooms. They would have to be banned from public transport and from having personal interaction with younger people. It just wouldn't be practicable.
  16. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    Good balanced counter reply thank you
  17. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    Is it because I'm a Northern Irish, Protestant, Unionist, retired, White, straight, misogynistic male?
  18. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

  19. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    It must be the clique denying any prominence to my posts on covid.
  20. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    I’m not sure what you mean!

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