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Is it his job to know?

Discussion in 'Personal' started by monicabilongame, May 28, 2020.

  1. monicabilongame

    monicabilongame Star commenter

    It appears that Johnson doesn't know the effect of his own government policies on immigration or how they affect people:


    But really, is it his job to know all the ins and outs? Would one expect him to have a grasp of the fine, or even the broad detail of such things? Should he, as PM, make himself familiar with the basics of the policies of the Tories, or is it enough to be the figurehead and let everyone else deal with the real work? He certainly seemed quite surprised when told about one particular case:

    The prime minister appeared taken aback this afternoon when told that a family with no recourse to public funds were not able to claim benefits. He was asked about a couple originally from Pakistan, granted leave to remain in the UK, who were struggling due to the coronavirus pandemic. Stephen Timms MP told Boris Johnson: ‘They both work, they have two children. ‘The husband’s employer didn’t put him on the job retention scheme so he has zero income. His wife is still working but her income is less than their household rent. They have leave to remain in the UK but no recourse to public funds, so they can’t get any help at all. ‘Isn’t it wrong that a hard-working, law-abiding family like that is being forced by the current arrangements into destitution’ The PM replied: ‘Hang on Stephen, why aren’t they eligible for Universal Credit or Employment Support Allowance or any of the other benefits?’

    Mr Timms responded: ‘That’s a very good question. It’s because they have no recourse to public funds. That’s the condition that’s attached to their leave to remain. They have been here for years; their children have been born in the UK. But because for a 10 year period they have this no recourse to public funds, at the moment they can get no help at all.’ The prime minister replied: ‘And they can’t get furloughed… obviously not. I’m going to have to come back to you on that because clearly people who have worked hard for this country, who live and work here, should have support of one kind or another. You’ve raised a very important point. ‘If the condition of their leave to remain is they should have no recourse to public funds, I will find out how many there are in that position and we will see what we can do to help them.’ Stephen Timms said that according to the Children’s Society, there are at least 100,000 children in families in exactly that position.

    ‘They’ve got leave to remain, they are law-abiding, they’ve got no recourse to public funds. Many of them can get no help at all at the moment,’ he said. Many migrants with a residence permit allowing them to live in the UK are given the condition that they have ‘no recourse to public funds’. It means they are not able to claim most benefits, tax credits or housing assistance that are paid by the state. MPs watching the questioning responded in shock to the prime minister’s response, asking why he did not seem to grasp this. Hilary Benn tweeted: ‘Astonishing that the Prime Minister seems to have no idea what “no recourse to public funds” means.’ Jess Phillips wrote: ‘Boris Johnson not knowing what no recourse to public funds means was quite phenomenal.’ Karl Turner said: ‘The actual Prime Minister doesn’t understand how his Government policies are effective [sic] people. My colleague Stephen Timms MP asks a simple question about those that ‘have no recourse to public funds’ as a condition for them to remain. @BorisJohnson hasn’t a clue.’ Rachel Hopkins tweeted: ‘Watching PM Johnson floundering when questioned on equality impacts & women leaders’ role in Govt coronavirus recovery plans … even more excruciating than watching his apparent surprise at @stephenctimms points that many families with no recourse to public funds are struggling.’

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  2. oldsomeman

    oldsomeman Star commenter

    would you know every rule if you were PM? That's what civil servants are for , to direct you.
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  3. nervousned

    nervousned Senior commenter

    that is true but you would expect him to know what no recourse to public funds means when it was first said rather than having to have it explained.
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  4. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    No but I'd expect him to know about such a high profile and longstanding policy of his own party that people with "no recourse to public funds were not able to claim benefits."
  5. lunarita

    lunarita Senior commenter

    I noticed he's a bit confused between being asymptomatic and being in an incubation period.

    Is he not being properly briefed, is he too arrogant to bother, or incapable of understanding?

    Sorry, off topic a bit but related to his general ignorance.
  6. gainly

    gainly Star commenter

    This is why he can't sack Cummings, as he relies on him to do the work he is too lazy to do himself.
  7. smoothnewt

    smoothnewt Star commenter

    One of the current and ongoing criticisms of Johnson is that he is never across his brief. This is apparently in stark contrast to Blair, Brown, Cameron and May - certainly in the context of their
    appearances before the various select committees.
  8. ilovesooty

    ilovesooty Star commenter

    I can't imagine why any remotely competent PM should not be expected to know this or why any sensible person would attempt to excuse his not knowing.
  9. ilovesooty

    ilovesooty Star commenter

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  10. teapot24

    teapot24 New commenter

    Totally off topic, but I was not aware of that particular condition. My school is very high EAL. My class is 100% EAL and we are aware of the children's home situation although many do not claim pupil premium. Could this be why?

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