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Is it hard to find a job?

Discussion in 'New teachers' started by NewToTA, May 17, 2011.

  1. Hi there
    I've been offered a place on a Primary PGCE course with German but wondered just how difficult it is to find a job (I live in the South East), once you've completed it? I'm a mature student with a mortgage and young family to support so it'll be a big concern if I can't find work.
    Many thanks for reading!
  2. littlemissraw

    littlemissraw Occasional commenter

    Yes it is very hard to find a job at the moment. How will you support yourself whilst on your PGCE? Are you leaving a job to do it? How hard will it be to get back into that sector if you can't find a teaching job?
    Just some things you need to consider. If its your dream then go for it otherwise you may always regret it. There are still jobs but the competition is fierce however you may be just what the schools want so don't let it put you off, but make sure you have a plan B xx
  3. Yep, I'd be leaving a good job which frightens me & although I'd be able to go back into the industry, I'd have the same problem of finding a decent job in the middle of a recession - ahh.
  4. littlemissraw

    littlemissraw Occasional commenter

    Can you take a sabbatical? x
  5. welshwizard

    welshwizard Established commenter Forum guide

    The situation does vary from place to place and largely depends upon your work search area.The South East is a big area. You can check on advertised opportunities through the TES website and see the trends.. It also depends whether schools are closing or expanding in your area.The Good Teacher Training Guide 2010 shows that 70% primary trainees gained employment.
  6. Good advice, thanks & no unfortunately I couldn't take a sabatical:-(!!
  7. cally1980

    cally1980 Established commenter

    If you are based in or near London and dont mind a small commute you should be ok for a job. I am an NQT at the moment and everyone from my course last year is currently working on a permanant basis. Also, I have just secured a new job for September year from my first interview. Lots of schools in my LEA are expanding to meet population needs and free schools are cropping up too.

    I think being a mature student often goes in your favour, no disrespect to very recent graduates but a solid working history will always stand you in good stead and skills developed in a different industry are often transferable.
  8. It is still very much dependent on the area though Cally. I teach in south east london and we had over 100 applicants for our recent job. Schools are making redundancies and a little further out in NW Kent there are school closures and further redundancies.
  9. cally1980

    cally1980 Established commenter

    Thats very true, im in North London and can only speak for my surrounding area - I shouldnt have assumed it was like that all over London. Also, more and more people are willing to relocate to London due to shortages elsewhere.
  10. Jusy a thought for you to consider. I gave up a job to pursue a career in secondary school teaching. The University assured me that a job would be comparatively easy to find, hence I went ahead with the training. I have now being qualified for two years, but have still to complete my NQT. It's been the most stressful time of my life. I similar to yourself have dependants, four to be exact. Securing work is imperative to ease the financial strain we now find ourselves in.
    If I had my time again I think I would have remained in my previous employment. In an ideal world job satisfaction is desirable but in the real world money is vital.
    Mature Student
  11. PaulDG

    PaulDG Occasional commenter

    Trouble is, the Universities are in the business of training trainees.
    What happens to those trainees once they are trained is not their concern - their concern is recruiting new ones for the following year.
  12. the hippo

    the hippo Lead commenter Community helper

    What an interesting and difficult question! "Is it hard to find a job?"
    I am intrigued to think about the next question that the OP will ask us. How about "Is the Pope a Catholic?" Or "What colour is the grass?" Perhaps we will be given something even more challenging, such as "What is two plus two?"
  13. But it hasn't been everyone's experience that it has been hard to find a job so personally I think your attitude is a bit patronising and over generalising and not really helpful to the OP so I would like to offer the answer that actually, no, personally it hasn't been that difficult to secure a job - hard work, yes, but difficult, no. Have I been lucky? Yes but oddly, the harder I worked at it, the luckier I got ;-)
    I trained in primary last year doing GTP as a career changer but also as someone who had 11 year experience in various roles in education prior to training, and left labelled 'an outstanding trainee'. I took that confidence forward in to interviews and I secured a mat cover post at my 1st interview and completed first term of NQT. Secured a temp contract for two terms at 2nd interview and have now completed my NQT year (or will have by Friday when I have a meeting with mentor to complete final paperwork and sign everything off). At this time I was offered a 3rd interview in another school but declined that as I already had the fixed term post.
    I was offered an extension of my contract at my present school for a further year but was looking for other posts as (for a variety of reasons) the school is not for me. So went back to applying for jobs and was interviewed for 4 different posts. 2 of these were not right for me (I withdrew from one and wasn't offered the other, but didn't want it anyway as I may as well have stayed put than go to another school that was not right for me). I loved one of the schools but came a close second to their current GTP student, but the head recommended me elsewhere as he was so impressed and I applied for the post there and got it. So 4th interview secured me a post for this year which is temp with a view to being made perm at the end of the year.
    So in answer to the OP, if you do your homework on the schools, follow Theo's advice, plan your interview lessons well, prepare for interview well and you are in an area where there are vacancies and you use your previous experience to make yourself stand out from other NQTs, then it isn't that difficult to gain employment. I have gone into every interview with the view that it is a two way process, that I am interviewing them as well as them interviewing me and I have gone for it grabbed the opportunity with both hands, and at my final interview it actually never occured to me I wouldn't be offered the post - cocky? Perhaps but it worked for me! I did the same when I took my driving test, and passed first time and also with the skills test - why would I fail when I am so well prepared?
    My only caveat with this, is that I think it can depend on what area you are in. There have been quite a few primary jobs in the area that I have been looking (around 30-40 between March and now in the 3 LAS). I think you have to research your area, but if you are prepared to relocate that could throw up other opportunities. Research your market.
    Good luck to everyone. I am not saying it is easy, it isn't but some people have said they have been for interviews in to double figures, personally I would probably have given up at that point.
    Also to the OP, remember many of the people only post on herw when they are having problems or support when they can't find work, there are many others out there, like me who have secured work...
  14. the hippo

    the hippo Lead commenter Community helper

    Well, Bobby_Carrot, perhaps my posting was a bit sarcastic. Maybe this was unhelpful. However, I cannot agree with your suggestion that all we need to do is to prepare properly and follow Theo's advice, since Theo himself told me how very difficult the job market is in the UK at the moment. There are just too many teachers chasing too few jobs. Wasn't there a story in the TES about a school that had a few primary vacancies and there were more than 600 applicants? The government's plans to reduce teachers' pensions and to raise the retirement age are probably going to make the situation even worse.
  15. Perhaps but this is different in different areas. I went for a post at one school where they thought 15 was a lot of applicants for a KS2 teacher. It was quite specific in an eanhanced resource school but doesn't support the 600. At the end of the day these are both personal anecdotes from different ends of the spectrum and I am sure the truth lies in the middle somewhere, depending on area, phase taught or in secondary your subject specialism.
    I still stand by the fact that there will be a lot more negatives than positives posted on these forums and I was merely trying to address the balace with my own positive experience. Maybe I have been very lucky at being in the right place at the right time, but so far my plan has gone according to plan - if that makes sense and I still stand by the fact that the harder I work the luckier I get.
    Perhaps we are going to have to agree to disagree on this but I do think anyone coming on here may well get a very skewed perspective on the job marlet, interviews and numbers applying for jobs and the number of application/interviews it takes to get a job. I am pretty certain for every person posting on here they have applied for over 100 jobs I can show you people like myself who have gained jobs after one or two interviews - I trained with most of them!
  16. I know this is a slightly aged thread (by a few days!) but wanted to throw in my experience.
    I am a mature career changer too - and I had to leave work to do a 3 year BEd not a one year PGCE. Yes, it is a scary leap of faith BUT if you work hard at it to ensure you are a damn good prospect then finding a job isn't rocket science. If during your course you become a great student teacher then you give yourself the best possible chance of work, which is enhanced further by creating a great application that sells yourself. Not all students/applications/interview performances are created equal, so noone can really tell you how easy it will be for YOU to find a teaching job.
    I'm based in the South West, where Primary jobs do not come easy. I was the first person on my course (and the PGCE) to get a job, not because I'm special but because I got my basic application information together over Christmas and started looking for vacancies on 1st January! I didn't leave it until Easter or later like some of my course mates. I think I applied for 4 jobs in total - I made sure my application was solid and prepared like anything for the interview and it worked, I had my job in early Feb and could forget about job hunting during my final placement.
    Having non teaching experience stands you in good stead - you are likely to have a more mature outlook to work/life balance than some, you are likely to be more experienced/confident with applications, interviews and possibly with interactions with parents, SMT etc and yet you are just as cheap as a 21 year old!

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