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Is everything going backwards?

Discussion in 'Personal' started by lexus300, Oct 27, 2020.

  1. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    The NHS (as wonderful as it is), has it been forced away from its primary purpose?
    Is our legal system fit for purpose when poor people are left to flounder?
    Education (from top to bottom), does it produce automatons or original thinkers.
    Is our government destroying freedom?
    Why is poverty so prevalent in such a rich country as ours?
    Has mainstream media destroyed information?
    Are religions destroying spirituality?

    Answers on a postcard;)
     
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  2. magic surf bus

    magic surf bus Star commenter

    Conservatism is by definition about conserving existing traditions and institutions that were established in the past.

    It's what people have voted for. :)
     
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  3. dumpty

    dumpty Star commenter

    While I do think Brexit played a massive part in Boris' majority, it is indeed one of those mysteries where on almost every single forum or media platform everyone bemoans the Tories and 'right wingers' (the abuse is relentless and deep)..... yet the people of the UK keep returning in the main a Tory government.

    Maybe Blair was such a colossal disappointment that it is impossible for the liberals - as with Blair - to get a rare go to show us what they are made of.
     
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  4. chelsea2

    chelsea2 Star commenter

    It doesn't help when fewer and fewer people have access to Legal Aid.

    Change the curriculum to one stuffed with 'knowledge' (which is important, but only in conjunction with skills & concepts), force everyone to undergo an academic curriculum, and cram children for tests from age 6 as results are used to judge schools, and yep, whatever else you'll get it won't be 'original thinkers'.

    Both of these were political decisions.

    The former may save some money - though at risk of growing injustice.
    The latter has saved no money, but is a misguided ideological policy, which will have short & long term consequences.
     
    Last edited: Oct 27, 2020
  5. Ivartheboneless

    Ivartheboneless Star commenter

    They may think they were voting for it, but it is not what was offered, and we are not getting what was offered.

    Two words: greed and socipaths.
     
  6. Marshall

    Marshall Star commenter

    Good post!

    Need time to think about it all.
     
  7. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    Ditto.
     
  8. CraigCarterSmith

    CraigCarterSmith Lead commenter

    I can understand this, however its incredibly convenient to bandy about UK (and yes its semantics) Scotland hasn't voted Right wing since about 1955

    so could we stop being lazy and making everything a bloody football match and its one side against another, being against an abusing, lying, corrupt, child starving, money peddling, tax avoiding, criminal shielding, bully boy racist party does not make one an ultra hard left bleeding hearted, pronoun toting, flag waving, open borders at all costs Luvvie

    This is why Labour and Tories are bleeding in Scotland, they still think its 2000, that you have to pick a side and swear by all that it holds dear, the SNP have enjoyed success by occupying the role once held by traditional Labour, largely centrist with a hint of socialism and fiscal responsibility.

    It's no hard, Labour shunted right cause most "englunders" couldn't handle that anything was their fault and the Tories gave them a chance to blame someone else, take your pick really - windrush, immigrants, EU, The Irish, a lovely wee video circulating this morning a charming English gent explaining how the Scots are vermin and "ungrateful" also says Sc*m multiple times - i'm sure the Tories will be around any min now to decry it and write letters demanding this man be prosecuted

    I am on record as being a Labour Student Activist indeed i campaigned for Blair, i had faith, it was ruined, Iraq was the final straw, I am also on record on thsi very site believing that a decent Labour government who shared the ideals held by the SNP then there would be no need for Independence, something more akin to the fabled "Devo-Max" and then in 2014 when Yes pulled ahead in the polls "the VOW" happened and then following the result EVEL and that was it, you set out your stall and we set out ours. Boris's majority was almost entirely about Brexit, sadly the people who "lent" him the vote are finding out what it meant, its hard to have sympathy.
     
  9. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    The things you mention are important but not as important as learning to solve problems using the rote learned (and sitting by Nellie) knowledge in a way that encourages the learner and the Teacher/Lecturer to think for themselves.
    Rote learning, if you like is the background information needed to support all future stages of learning.
    It should not be difficult for a Teacher/Lecturer to construct activities/experiments/projects that can be used to integrate and enhance a learners experience.
    Obviously an over-prescribed curriculum with rigid boundaries and limited assessment processes along with league tables makes all of that impossible.
     
  10. colpee

    colpee Star commenter

    Not backwards; just not forwards. It has pretty much always been thus.
     
  11. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    Blair won handsomely, three times, Gordon lost but Cameron didn't win, then Cameron managed a win on the basis of promising a referendum but couldn't swing a pro-EU vote because he and George made a mess and Cummings was out to cut throats, Then Theresa listened to her two cheerleaders and ignored Linton, but the cheerleaders were wrong, then Boris got the Brexit Vote from dissatisfied workers in the North. Boris was only about Brexit blue rinses, gammons and people who imagined that being out of Europe would 'bring back control'.
     
  12. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    No, we're all going forwards.

    It will feel like you're going backwards.
     
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  13. Stiltskin

    Stiltskin Star commenter

    I'll have a go at the first three...

    the main problem is it is underfunded
    the main problem is it is underfunded
    the main problem is it is underfunded
     
  14. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    Cannot deny that.
     
  15. dumpty

    dumpty Star commenter

    @CraigCarterSmith and @racroesus

    I appreciate what you say. As I said, it is perplexing how the UK does not seem to vote for liberals when it really matters.

    I was not in the UK much at all during the Thatcher years but rather like the anger you describe in Scotland, it appeared to me when reading papers overseas that the entire country was willing to lynch her.

    She then ruled for what, 11 odd years?

    Now I cannot know of course but I still get the feeling just a few tactical decisions here, some savvy moves there and Boris could repeat that.

    Most perplexing.
     
  16. ACOYEAR8

    ACOYEAR8 Star commenter

    Gaia adjusts, people die, she moves on.
     
  17. monicabilongame

    monicabilongame Star commenter

    "Is everything going backwards?"

    But I thought that's what you wanted - back to the 1950's and 60's?
     
  18. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    Bring it on. Real money, real values, optimism across the nation, full employment, free education, a railway network, a manufacturing base, our own industries, steel, mining, etc., oh! and freedom.
     
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  19. CraigCarterSmith

    CraigCarterSmith Lead commenter

    Explain what is meant by
    Explain what is meant by the term "Real Values" in relation to the 1950's/60's

    (6 Marks) :rolleyes:
     
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  20. burajda

    burajda Star commenter

    A new steel works, say on the scale of Port Talbot. Where could that be located and how would we get that past the nimbys and through planning permission,?
     

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