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Is burning £5m of Punk memorabilia cultural vandalism or... Punk?

Discussion in 'Personal' started by magic surf bus, Mar 17, 2016.

  1. magic surf bus

    magic surf bus Star commenter

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35819847

    Interesting cultural controversy above as the supposed 40th anniversary of the 'birth' of Punk approaches (erm hang on a minute, what about the New York Dolls? The Ramones? Oh maybe we're talking about the UK clothing brand). Anyway, Sex Pistols manager Malcolm Mclaren's son is threatening to burn an estimated £5m worth of unique Punk memorabilia and artefacts in a protest about Punk being celebrated by the sort of mainstream institutions that the genre was suppose to be kicking and spitting against.

    So my question to the panel is - is this an act of cultural vandalism against our collective pop culture heritage or a last defiant stand to protect the soul and spirit of Punk?
     
  2. aspensquiver_2

    aspensquiver_2 Senior commenter

    It's Punk. End of. And a gloriously defiant gesture at that!
     
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  3. grumpydogwoman

    grumpydogwoman Star commenter

    We don't need no punk memorabilia. We are an anarCHIST!!!!
     
  4. aspensquiver_2

    aspensquiver_2 Senior commenter

  5. Burndenpark

    Burndenpark Star commenter

    Why only threatening?
    And as you touched on:
    What does one mean by punk? Does it include the likes of certain parties who wouldn't sell their mothers- more rent her out by the hour- the cash from chaos types? Or the a-political ones? Or the anti-establishment ones?
    I think there's probably as many ideas of "punk ethos" as there are of socialism or Christianity.
     
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  6. jmanning

    jmanning New commenter

    I think it is just stupid, he can't think much of his dad's legacy if he is willing to burn all the stuff that he left him. Also if it is an estimated 5 million pounds worth, why does he just not sell it? He obviously does not need the money so he could give it to plenty of charities that need it. It's not punk ethos it is just a case of a privileged child wanting to get a bit of publicity!
     
  7. Jesmond12

    Jesmond12 Star commenter

    Just read his reasons for doing so. Pretentious Richard!

    Sell them and give the money to charity.
     
  8. Didactylos4

    Didactylos4 Star commenter

    I was going to make a comment about his proposed actions but fear a lynch might form amongst those who grew up with punk.
    Alternative and older definitions of the word are available and may be classed as appropriate (or not) ;):D
     
  9. cissy3

    cissy3 Star commenter

    McLaren was a chancer who made a quick buck by taking the 'street' punk stuff, recuperating it, and then flogging it back to 'the youth' IMO

    So flog it and donate, as others have said.
     
  10. Mangleworzle

    Mangleworzle Star commenter

    Yes.

    A quote in the article:

    An anti-establishment force is being "appropriated by the mainstream" and turned into a "tribute act", he has complained.

    It became a money making tribute very quickly, the Sex Pistols were a largely manufactured group.
     
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  11. Burndenpark

    Burndenpark Star commenter

    Both of which miss the point.

    To sell the stuff, or auction it, or give it to a museum would be forming a tighter bond between punk and the establishment it railed against.
    As MW and others have mentioned many punk prostitutes jumped on the bandwagon, and a few ran ahead of it. The followers however? Did they buy into the ethos even if the leaders didn't? Would they argue for the nostalgia to be preserved, or the value to be saved- or for us to just
     
  12. Jesmond12

    Jesmond12 Star commenter

    I understand what you are saying but he is still making a pretentious point. How many homeless people would benefit from a £5m legacy?
     
  13. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    To me, punk means thinking for yourself, finding things out for yourself and doing it yourself

    A lifestyle, not a hairstyle nor a fashion

    I don't care what this man say or does - for even one second.
     
  14. Flere-Imsaho

    Flere-Imsaho Star commenter

    Attention seeking nonsense.
     
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  15. colpee

    colpee Star commenter

    From a 2007 interview with the Telegraph

    "I thought the fashion was much more important than the music," McLaren says of the Sex Pistols now. "Punk was the sound of that fashion."
     
  16. artboyusa

    artboyusa Star commenter

    Met him once, Malcom. T wat. And the apple hasn't fallen far from the tree.

    And this is where punk started...not in his stupid shop.
     
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  17. nomad

    nomad Star commenter

    What the hell is memorable about Punk???
     
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  18. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    A mate of mine knew him very well @artboyusa . And yes, complete ****

    The punkest song ever, in my humble opinion: (viewer discretion advised!)
     
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  19. artboyusa

    artboyusa Star commenter

    Good call. For me, personally, it started here..
     
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  20. delnon

    delnon Lead commenter

    Punk. Isn't that the Daily Mail towards the Nazti Party?

    Sorry: addicted to the OED. :rolleyes:
     

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