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Irish View of Scottish Education

Discussion in 'Scotland - education news' started by subman68, Nov 18, 2019.

  1. subman68

    subman68 Occasional commenter

  2. Effinbankers

    Effinbankers Lead commenter

    Never understood why CFE, a totally theoretical pile of mince, ever saw the light of day, instead of a more rational evidence based approach.

    Maybe because there was half a dozen or so "educationalists" who sadly got their hand on the tiller of Scottish education. Aided and abetted by the trade unions, especially Mr Flanagan.

    Hopefully our Celtic brothers won't make the same mistake.
    borges33, sicilypat and bigjimmy2 like this.
  3. catmother

    catmother Star commenter

    Good luck to them. I see the same rubbish is being recycled,the "preparing for jobs that don't yet exist",the "21st Century skills". Again.good luck to them!
    Marisha, borges33 and bigjimmy2 like this.
  4. Flyonthewall75

    Flyonthewall75 New commenter

    It's an interesting letter and the author makes some very valid points.

    An emphasis on the somewhat woolly theories of 'constructivism' explains a lot about a Curriculum for Excellence and the damage it has caused within Scottish Education. And, of course, 'lifelong learning skills', 'learning how to learn', 'the teacher as a learning facilitator', and the idea that 'it's not what you teach but how' are not new concepts. They've been around for 50 years or more.

    "The acquisition of knowledge and skills, once the main aim of education, is no longer as important as it was … Much more vital today … are the fostering of intellectual curiosity, and the development of the capacity to acquire knowledge independently."

    Primary Education in Scotland, SED (1965) (Also known as the 'Primary Memorandum')

    I can still remember College lecturers, all those years ago, telling us how we would be educating children for jobs that didn't yet exist. However, despite all these predictions, it was still the children who acquired a good basic grounding in traditional subjects who went on to get the best jobs - including the ones that were still to be invented. Who'd have believed it?

    As to the educational reforms that began in the 1980s, Pasi Sahlberg had a name for it back in 2012: 'The Global Education Reform Movement' or GERM for short.


    However, since then, the Finnish Education system, that once supposedly topped the international league tables, has now, ironically, become 'infected' by GERM itself and educational standards there are dropping.

    If you put education in the hands of bureaucrats, they will think up lots of bureaucratic things for teachers to do and the first thing that will suffer will be teaching.
  5. bonxie

    bonxie Lead commenter

    "Let’s opt for incremental, evidence-informed change, not radical change informed by ideology."
    Wouldn't it be nice if all politicians and consultants making money off suggesting teachers change the way they teach had to provide solid, independent evidence that the new bandwagons they are promoting actually do have a significant, positive effect on children's learning.
  6. lorri_r82

    lorri_r82 New commenter

  7. bigjimmy2

    bigjimmy2 Lead commenter

    So, then, lorri, you're saying there's no place for reading and writing in Scottish education?
  8. lorri_r82

    lorri_r82 New commenter

    Sorry I was reading through some of the Scottish forums and I actually hadn't intended on posting. (Goes away to hang head in shame)
    bigjimmy2 likes this.
  9. gnulinux

    gnulinux Occasional commenter

    "So let’s not repeat the mistakes made in Scotland where the “Curriculum for Excellence” has been a disaster. Let’s opt for incremental, evidence-informed change, not radical change informed by ideology. – Yours, etc,


    Associate Professor,

    Dublin City University,

    Dublin 9"

    Hear hear!!!
  10. josephsaint

    josephsaint New commenter

    CFE was/is a disgrace. I know technology has had an effect but the way CFE has been implemented the basics of knowledge are ignored. This has meant pupils are disengaged from an early age because their understanding is limited. I don't put blame on Primary teachers btw.
    markbannan likes this.

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