I would like to pick up on the playgroup thing too. I have witnessed many playgroup leaders leave this role - driven out by the burdensome bureaucracy, over-inspection, interference and low, low pay. For all the pay is low, if you worked out how many hours it takes to do all the paperwork, many leaders end up using their own time and therefore work for next to nothing. I call this over-professionalism at its worst. Certainly, when I was a young mum with youngsters needing a different scene, some friends to play with to socialise - I just wanted a simple playgroup with the conditions described above in post 119 (I think that was the post). I would not have wanted the playgroup leaders to come under the intense pressure and scrutiny which is now the reality - and I really dispute that the status quo is either necessary or desirable for our nation's children or their willing carers.