That's a lovely idea. Mr N isn't a very spiritual or metaphorical type. He is very happy with his life. He likes his sport and a pint. He would be deeply suspicious if I started talking about abstract stuff like that, although I appreciate what you mean, Eureka. That's kinda where the gap is between us, and why we're not completely compatible. He will just agree, then carry on as usual. I have taken him as far as he wants to go on this 'journey' and he aint gonna move any further. 15 ish years have taught me our limits!