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im so ashamed

Discussion in 'Behaviour' started by sal29, Mar 9, 2007.

  1. Ive been a teacher for 5years now so its not like in new to teaching but im really worrying here.

    Ive just moved to a new school and im having problems.

    1) i had an educatinal psychologist in observe a child not long after i started 9 it was made clear this was not an observation of me) now this is a very difficult class as it is and the observation resulted in me beeing summond to a member of SMT to discuss how bad the lesson was.

    2)again an non judgemental observation not long after this with a bunch of year 10s caused a similar situation. there are 4 boys in the class who are set on making timngs as difficult as possible and being as difiant as they can and despite my best efforts to sort them i cant get through. comfortingly i know for a fact others have the same trouble with this group.

    today i had an observation by HOD with my difficult class and the response for HOD was that whislst the plan was good and he would be happy to walk into any lesson and teach to my plan the kids have no respect for me as they point blank refuse to be quiet.

    I am seriously getting paranoid now and worrying that im truley and incompetant teacher.

    I do not have problems with all my classes and i have many groups who ive got just nice (with soem its been a battle but we got there in the end)

    whilst i will admit this particular class are a problem i just find it very difficult to handle them ive tried a number of tactics with no sucsess.

    and now keep thinking its all cause im a **** teacher. Its really getting to me
     
  2. Ive been a teacher for 5years now so its not like in new to teaching but im really worrying here.

    Ive just moved to a new school and im having problems.

    1) i had an educatinal psychologist in observe a child not long after i started 9 it was made clear this was not an observation of me) now this is a very difficult class as it is and the observation resulted in me beeing summond to a member of SMT to discuss how bad the lesson was.

    2)again an non judgemental observation not long after this with a bunch of year 10s caused a similar situation. there are 4 boys in the class who are set on making timngs as difficult as possible and being as difiant as they can and despite my best efforts to sort them i cant get through. comfortingly i know for a fact others have the same trouble with this group.

    today i had an observation by HOD with my difficult class and the response for HOD was that whislst the plan was good and he would be happy to walk into any lesson and teach to my plan the kids have no respect for me as they point blank refuse to be quiet.

    I am seriously getting paranoid now and worrying that im truley and incompetant teacher.

    I do not have problems with all my classes and i have many groups who ive got just nice (with soem its been a battle but we got there in the end)

    whilst i will admit this particular class are a problem i just find it very difficult to handle them ive tried a number of tactics with no sucsess.

    and now keep thinking its all cause im a **** teacher. Its really getting to me
     
  3. Insist HOD observe you with another class. Challenge their thoughts. If it is JUST this class, you are not ****, just having what we all do - a bad class!

    Nearly over, more than halfway there.
     
  4. ive already asked that he observe another class but he is doing a round of observing everyone so says it will be after easter before he can observe me again.
     
  5. Then get someone else to do it - just to boost your self esteem. Even a short obs should help.

    After Easter chase HOD for a new obs.

    Also - ask the member of SMT you were summoned to speak to to come and observe another class. Explain that you feel that this observation by the ed psych was unfair as you have no such difficulties in any other classes.




     
  6. It makes me really angry that you are being made to feel like a **** teacher rather than being supported. If the students do not behave for you, surely it is the responsibility of HOD/HOY or someone more senior to get involved?! Any new teacher, experienced or not, is likely to face challenges when arriving at a new school.

    I think you should erase the notion of being **** from your mind (these people in this new school do not know you from Adam), whilst still being proactive in finding ways to deal with the classes. Try new strategies - even ones that you wouldn't have used in your old school.

    Follow everything up as I am sure you would have done in your previous school, and pass on those students who continually challenge your authority to senior teachers.

    Do not be ashamed - be confident (esp around kids)about your abilities, because you know you are a good teacher. Keep doing your job as best you can and trying new things - their job, as I said, is to support you. They are the ones that should be ashamed.
     
  7. Chica77

    Chica77 New commenter

    You are new to the school, of course there will be some problems. I'm sure that would happen to a teacher with 20 years experience.

    I have one class who are really awful and have no respect for me. My HoD supports me with them and we know that this class are notorious for just being a really bad mix of kids.

    I'm only in my 2nd year and it does knock my confidence that kids could show so little respect.
    My school in general is not very supportive, but my dept is fortunately.
     
  8. I have had this, but not to this level... Ed psych, advisory teacher etc... coming in the lesson to, apparently, observe the pupil...

    The feedback was all about my teaching and what I could have done better!!! Laughable!!

    I politely asked the person to leave my classroom...

    Luckily when I told SMT they laughed and the matter went no further!
     
  9. davidgclare

    davidgclare New commenter

    'I am seriously getting paranoid now and worrying that im truley and incompetant teacher'

    Well, you may have a point, if your knowledge of spelling and grammar are anything to go by. You deserve to be ashamed.
     
  10. erp77

    erp77 New commenter

    that was a wee bit hash davidgclare!

    why don't you find out who else teaches this class for different subjects and ask if you can observe them teaching, find out if they have touble too or what it is that they do that encourages positive behaviours
     
  11. smirnoffice

    smirnoffice New commenter

    i ask the same question as yesterday david - since how long have school janitors been giving advice on here? and more importantly, if you see your only use on here is to belittle people who have asked for help, then i suggest you **** off to the stone you crawled out from underneath
     
  12. Davidgclare.

    Whilst I, as an English specialist, wholeheartedly applaud your firm committment to the upkeep of the English language, can I suggest you maybe get out from behind your computer; take a walk or maybe read a nice book. You'll feel better for it, and you might find the shortcomings of others easier to cope with.

    Also, "by" is a preposition. Never use one to end a sentence.
     
  13. Getting back to post I've also been teaching 5 years and some of my classes also refuse to behave. I have been quite happy to invite HOD, SLT to observe me teach them as long as they give me constructive feedback as to how to change the behaviour.

    Some ideas
    i. don't let class sit until standing in silent facing front. I can't have them line up outside.
    ii. change arrangement of desks to suit challenges of the class.
    iii. Voice coaching - had myself videod to see what happens.

    As far as gaining respect ask to see them teach same/similar class. I was lucky to be able to do this with an asst HT. This was useful in that I could pick up techniques I hadn't thought of before.
     
  14. Kids respond well to structure. It sounds as if your lesson plans are fine but you need to be assertive. If you tell a kid off give clear messages and be willing to follow through with anything you may say in the way of sanctions, you may have to give up your own time (several times) to make a point. I find that those who constantly misbehave do so because they are frightened of failure. Also kids misbehave if they find the work too hard i.e. their literacy skills are below the work set for example. It may be worth looking closely at the way you differentiate. I hope these suggestions help. I know it's horrible when you lose control of the class (speaking as an SEBD teacher myself). I hope you turn things around. Just remember it is you that's in control not them, so tell them!
     
  15. Dear davidgclare

    Quite where do you get off criticising other people's use of grammar and spelling?

    I am new to posting on the TES forums today, and twice in thirty minutes I have found a post from you insulting someone else.

    I am not normally one to complain, but I felt the urge to set you straight. Unless someone crowned you the spelling and grammar ombudsman of the TES forums, keep your own opinions to yourself.

    There is no formality here, it is a relaxed environment where people can air their ideas and thoughts, and/or ask for help.

    We have a bad enough time at school as it is with various pressures from our workloads, and the last thing people need a kick when they are down from someone who, as a profesional, should be willing to offer advice.

    Find the intended spelling error by the way, it's in there just for you baby!

     
  16. David
    i'd just like to say this is the second time in 5 mins that i've read a thread to read you being ar£$y and unhelpful, do me a favour and get a life. if you can't be supportive when people need advice then don't write anything.
     
  17. He does have a point though. If a teacher cannot spell simple words like competent or success, what hope is there for our children?
     
  18. yes, it has to be typos, of course we can spell. Is this about spelling now? or about an aggressive poster? or about someone feeling unfairly treated in their lesson obs?
     
  19. RE: Post 14

    "Dear davidgclare

    Quite where do you get off criticising other people's use of grammar and spelling?

    I am new to posting on the TES forums today, and twice in thirty minutes I have found a post from you insulting someone else.

    I am not normally one to complain, but I felt the urge to set you straight. Unless someone crowned you the spelling and grammar ombudsman of the TES forums, keep your own opinions to yourself.

    There is no formality here, it is a relaxed environment where people can air their ideas and thoughts, and/or ask for help.

    We have a bad enough time at school as it is with various pressures from our workloads, and the last thing people need a kick when they are down from someone who, as a profesional, should be willing to offer advice.

    Find the intended spelling error by the way, it's in there just for you baby!"

    I'm game for this challenge if you don't mind my butting in, jw!

    "other people's" should have been "other peoples'", as you are referring to more than one person, and there's an 's' missing in "professional". Too easy!
     

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