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I still find it incredible that a YR teacher can be paid the same as an English Lit teacher at A Level.

Discussion in 'Personal' started by The Red Heron, Jan 21, 2009.

  1. I'm a music teacher (well was one) and I think A level English shouldn't be beyond the reach of
    most people. I remember a fellow student doing a degree in English at college and most of what he used to do was read books and write essays about them.
    What's so hard about that?

  2. Can't decide if you're playing devil's advocate there.

    Reading books - sometimes easy, although it does depend on the level of the language and the complexity of the author's ideas

    Writing a meanignful essay about what you have read that doesn't just regurgitate other people's ideas - an awful lot harder!

  3. Having read all the posts and seen some interesting personal stories, I'd like to point Red Heron towards the research. The longitudinal research project, EPPE, has showed clearly that good quality provision in the Early Years, even prior to reception, improves the outcomes for the child in all areas, cognitive and emotional. It has shown that the positive aspects of early provision have "significant though modest effects" right up to age 11.

    The research cohort is now moving into secondary school. The results will be interesting.

    The point is that if you can give our Early Years children an excellent start in life this will resonant further than Reception. It is an enormous responsibility and privilege, not to be taken lightly or superficially
  4. I usually avoid this forum because in the past it has been so full of backbiting and nastiness - but the vast majority of responses to this, rather provocative, thread have actually been so supportive of each other that it's given me a lovely warm glow. I'm in KS2, and have done supply in reception, which I absolutely loved - but I don't think I could bear to do it now, with all the bureaucracy that is expected (though 'Assessing Pupils' Progress - APP is threatening to take KS2 the same way). Year R is tough in many ways. Isn't it an intellectual challenge to balance the needs of children, parents and government? If only we could all just teach... Wouldn't that be a dream?!
  5. I would like to point out that I am a secondary teacher (of a core subject) and have taught at all key stages in the secondary sector. I find it shocking that a colleague is denigrating other colleagues who lay the foundation for secondary education. The arrogance to state that just because a colleague doesn't teach A level means they can't is ridiculous. We all have subject specialisms that we focus on, not all of these relate to our first degree, isn't this what makes teaching so special that we all develop the ability to enhance the learning of our students in our own unique way. If we begin as a profession to believe and preach that certain key stages/subjects should be paid at different rates, then I think we are in for a very uncertain future.

    Maybe as a profession we should each spend a week (as part of our CPD) at least every two years in each others shoes with all the planning and assessment to truly appreciate the work that we all do.
  6. I didn't mean to imply that PGCE people are any better educated than others at all, so I apologise if anyone interpreted it in that way.
    And I don't think that B.ed people are better teachers either, just that personsally I'd have trained that way if I'd known ealier what I wanted to do.
  7. The plumber that came to fix our leaky tap in the kitchen couldn't fix our lights in the bathroom? Go figure!
  8. someone may have mentioned this already- 'fraid I haven't gone through each post as I felt the need to reply straight away.
    OP- what are you talking about? If it wasn't for us easy-ride Foundation Stage teachers teaching children to READ- they wouldn't get to the stage of appreciating great literature at A-Level.
    How disrespectful of your fellow professionals.
    It could be argued that without the vital teaching in the Early Years- the disposition to learn, the ability to communicate, to play with friends, to ask insightful questions and develop a sense of self -none of what happens at secondary matters. I'm not saying that's my opinion but what you seem to be positing is that the content-driven curriculum is more valuable than the curriculum of life skills and desire to learn which is fundamental to Foundation.

    Young children deserve teachers of as high a quality as older students (and with the parity of pay.)

    You're talking cack, i'm afraid.

    This from a girl with a great degree and currently on a challenging Masters course as well as going through Leadership Pathways. We don't choose Foundation because we're thick.
  9. littlerussell

    littlerussell New commenter

    Just to reignite the argument ...

    There is another side to this coin, of course. Since many Reception teachers will have a degree plus PGCE, they are, to all intents and purposes, equally well qualified to A-level teachers.

    It could therefore be argued that it is a shocking indictment of A-level teachers that they are only qualified to the same level as a Reception teacher. In fact, an NQT with a low class degree teaching A-level might actually not have as advanced an understanding as some of their most able students. Perhaps we should pay A-level teachers less because they are less able to stretch their students because they may only be 3 years ahead of them.

  10. huh ... littlerussell? what? That didn't even make any sense to me!
  11. How incredibly arrogant you sound. Lets nail a few myths here. You require an entirely different set of skills to teach reception as you do to teach juniors as you do to teach secondary...Each age range is as demanding and as specialised as the other. The skills required to manage behaviour and to inspire young children to listen and learn are far greater than you obviously know. Have you ever tried to teach a child to read? Do you know how much skill and patience is involved in that? There is also a huge pastoral side to primary education which takes up a tremendous amount of any teachers time. As for suggesting that you should be paid more because you work with older kids, have to do more marking and are like well clever.. Ha!
  12. The Red Heron

    The Red Heron New commenter

    Becks, yes I have done all of those things. I have been a primary teacher for quite a long time. No need to call names, my opinion which I can see is obviously controversial.

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