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i) Is anti-semitic a synonym for anti-zionist in contemporary Britain?

Discussion in 'Personal' started by BigFrankEM, Nov 26, 2019.

  1. MAGAorMIGA

    MAGAorMIGA Star commenter

    It's worth reminding ourselves that JLM include people who are neither Jewish nor Labour members. Their very name is a lie. They appropriated the name of the old Labour-affiliated organisation when they relaunched it in 2004, with the backing of the Israeli Embassy. Take "this damning report" with several kilograms of salt.
     
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  2. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Star commenter

    It's not a report. It's sworn testimony to the EHRC by serving and former Labour party officials
     
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  3. baitranger

    baitranger Established commenter

    Does this help?
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment...-at-running-the-Congo-let-him-stay-there.html
    I'm sure the NHS would be safe in his hands.
    "One of the reasons the Germans are healthier than us is that they are able to spend more on health, because roughly half their hospitals are independently funded. Is that a solution Blair is prepared to discuss? Or is Labour prepared to learn from France? There they stop the wasting of GPs' time by imposing a 25 per cent upfront charge - which is refundable later - on everyone who calls to see the doctor."
     
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  4. nomad

    nomad Star commenter

    Much of the Submission is based on sworn affidavits. The question is whether the EHRC (not me) decided to take it with "several kilograms of salt".
     
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  5. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Star commenter

    Thanks. It confirms the quote above was false.
    I don't see the what the French and German universal health care systems have to do with it.
     
  6. Spoofer4114

    Spoofer4114 Established commenter

    What difference does it make?
     
  7. alex_teccy

    alex_teccy Lead commenter

    You just wrote them yourself. By your own reasoning, you’re a racist as well.
     
  8. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    The Israeli Embassy? :rolleyes:

    Why do the Jews feature so heavily in conspiracy theories? Always wondered...
     
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  9. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    He didn't even use quotes... disgraceful...
     
  10. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter



    What happens when you switch "Corbyn" for "Johnson" when discussing the statements with Labour supporters?
     
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  11. alex_teccy

    alex_teccy Lead commenter

    "can you not put this on YouTube" LOL
    Why can people stand with us when the AntiSemitism's coming from the left?
     
  12. alex_teccy

    alex_teccy Lead commenter

    It's an anti-semitic trope.
     
  13. needabreak

    needabreak Star commenter

    Others won't let the facts get in the way of a fabricated anti Tory rhetoric... Rehashing and
    Wow... More confirmation bias there than we see from Labour's supporters on these threads so regularly.
     
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  14. baitranger

    baitranger Established commenter


    Perhaps you should consider the context in which Boris Johnson used those terms, as he himself says.
    "It is said that the Queen has come to love the Commonwealth, partly because it supplies her with regular cheering crowds of flag-waving piccaninnies;" Boris Johnson . By using a passive form, BJ avoids saying who made such a comment about the Queen. It is not a flattering view of the Queen as it suggests a racist attitude towards young black children. However, it is an offensive racist term and he did use it in an article in the national press.

    Does the context to any extent modify the racism?
     
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  15. needabreak

    needabreak Star commenter

    Depends on whether he had his reporters hat on... I guess that was his job at the time.
     
  16. baitranger

    baitranger Established commenter

    Not everyone agrees that Labour's proposed spending is "profligate" or wasteful.


    "The calm in UK government bond markets since Labour last week set out its pre-election plans to borrow to invest — notably in infrastructure — suggests few think the party’s proposals would be difficult to finance given historically low interest rates, even if many think they are not a good idea."
    Financial Times
     
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  17. MAGAorMIGA

    MAGAorMIGA Star commenter

    No it isn't. I am referring to the fact that an official from the Israeli Embassy was caught on camera boasting about giving a million pounds to a Labour MP and chair of Labour Friends of Israel, with the clear implication that the money was to be used to undermine her own party leader. (Masot said of LFI, "It’s good to leave those organisations independent. But we help them, actually".")The footage shows Shai Masot (for it was he) talking about bringing down Alan Duncan and Crispin Blunt.
    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Shai_Masot
    Following a protest by the British Government, Masot was removed from Britain.
     
  18. silvaran

    silvaran Occasional commenter

    Ingrained Anti semitic attitudes are fairly common in the UK, even more so in continental Europe, its a deep an ancient stream of narratives and stereotyping, so the Labour Party, like all other parties has people in it with ingrained anti semitic attitudes or can dip into the stream at any time without thinking. Those common lazy stereotypes and narratives such as the Jews are globally all powerful and controlling or that they are always exploiting others and have loyalty to Israel not the home nation.

    So many on the Left can associate the narratives about Jews with many of the issues of colonialism and the power of capitalism and militatrism crystalized in the oppression of the Palestinian people. Its a simple explanatory tool for those people on the left who are short on critical thinking and also works for part of the explanation of global capitalist exploitation. So the issue for Labour has become something about trying to 'stamp out' anti semitism within the party, but this needs national education. Deep rooted Anti Semitism in the whole of the UK that permeates our culture is the problem in common. But there are probably only a tiny number of determined committed and ideologically driven Anti semites and they are, as always, on the far right.
     
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  19. silvaran

    silvaran Occasional commenter

    I would think that the calm in the markets is because the markets think the risk of a Labor victory are very small indeed.
     
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  20. alex_teccy

    alex_teccy Lead commenter

    What has this to do with the testimony we have seen? Irrelevant
     

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