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"I felt ashamed" "Something has to give"

Discussion in 'Education news' started by ridleyrumpus, Jan 4, 2019.

  1. ridleyrumpus

    ridleyrumpus Lead commenter


    SEBREGIS Senior commenter

    This has to stop.
    We cannot continue to allow our colleagues to sacrifice their mental health - and sometimes even their lives - in this way.
  3. schoolsout4summer

    schoolsout4summer Star commenter

    You can't blame management - they just try it on, then try a bit more, then a bit more, then … .
    This situation was and is all caused by teachers not having the courage and common sense to stand up for themselves and their colleagues.
    Lack of moral fibre and selfishness. Nothing else.
    Look where that passive attitude has taken us.
    Transformed a good job into a bad job.
  4. JosieWhitehead

    JosieWhitehead Star commenter

  5. tenpast7

    tenpast7 Occasional commenter

    Solution: Strikes and Mass walkouts.
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  6. thekillers1

    thekillers1 Lead commenter

    Suffering with no pay.
  7. bessiesmith

    bessiesmith Occasional commenter

    Accountability is the main culprit. I may be wrong but when I was at school in the 80s and 90s I don't think teachers' were judged particularly on results - and in fact there was nothing to judge in primary schools pre-national curriculum. Someone, somewhere decided that this allowed teachers to be lazy and introduced the target culture. It probably seemed like a genuinely good idea in theory but as so often is the case, the theorist didn't consider the messy business of reality - teachers are held accountable - with the risk of losing their job if a child doesn't achieve a particular grade even though:
    The target grade is fairly random, based on test scores which might be 5 years out of date in a completely different subject
    The child might have all kinds of complicated issues outside the classroom such as long periods of absence, a chaotic family, changes of school, illness etc over which the teacher has no control.
    The child might make a decision that they have no interest in passing this particular subject - a decision which is sometimes supported by the family and even in some cases for non-ebacc subjects, by the school's SLT - who then still question why said child failed to attain the target grade - despite being pulled out of lessons to attend intervention sessions in 'important' subjects.
    I could go on....
  8. Sinnamon

    Sinnamon Established commenter

    That is one way, yes. It will stop teachers from feeling isolated in their problems. It's wrong teaching staff should have to suffer with no pay, but historically has been necessary with other injustices in education (as well as other professions). Drastic measures are needed to deal with this growing problem and I hope the unions are completely supporting teachers.

    What's happening now, i.e. the recruitment crisis, is only going to worsen. I've firmly talked former pupils, as well as my own children, out of entering teaching, as have many other teachers/ex-teachers I know. I am aware this makes me a part of the problem, but I don't care. My main concern is for their future well-being.

    I genuinely do not know how anyone can survive the teaching world nowadays. Or why they'd want to. Maybe some schools are better than others? Maybe these desparate cases are the exception rather than the rule? It'd be interesting to see some stats on how widespread this problem is.
  9. thekillers1

    thekillers1 Lead commenter

    Depends on individual schools. However, there are lies, damned lies and statistics.
  10. eljefeb90

    eljefeb90 Senior commenter

    Back in the eighties, I used to think that some of the old lags who were militant were a bit extreme. I always used to strike but I did feel torn. The typical response from the older guys-and gals- was the classic 'it's the thin edge of the wedge'. Looking back, they were totally right. You now have a cowed and fractured profession. Bullying is common, there is no solidarity and there is very little recourse other than to move if you get unfairly targeted.
  11. Timothy_Blue

    Timothy_Blue Lead commenter

    It will never happen in England.
  12. Timothy_Blue

    Timothy_Blue Lead commenter

    And all but impossible to move at if a certain age it seems. 40 is the new 60....and counting down.
  13. thekillers1

    thekillers1 Lead commenter

    I agree - internal conflict between teachers and SLT.
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  14. Sir_Henry

    Sir_Henry Occasional commenter

    And divided unions alongside increasingly deunionised workforce (tas can stand for teachers)
  15. Bobbbs

    Bobbbs Occasional commenter

    It'll never happen because unions are too frightened to strike. English unions were broken by Thatcher; they're never coming back.

    I'm an immigrant teacher here. Between the sickening workload, poor standard of education, and bad attitude of children, I nearly quit last year. Now with Brexit looming like some proverbial doomsday device, why the hell would I stay much longer? And my response isn't uncommon. Good luck finding teachers from overseas to fill gaps in the next three to five years.
  16. ridleyrumpus

    ridleyrumpus Lead commenter

    If I had a £ every time....

    The "Unions" cannot strike, it is the members that go on strike. The Unions is its members and the Unions organisation only represent its members, if the members want to go on strike (and it is legitimate and legal) then the Unions organisation will support its members in that action.

    The reason that the "Union" have not been supporting strike action is because, for some unfathomable reason, the members have not wanted to take strike action.

    Chicken and the Egg really.
  17. Sinnamon

    Sinnamon Established commenter

    This was me in the 90s as an idealistic NQT. I couldn't abide the cynicism of the 'old guard', and couldn't understand why they couldn't simply get on with the job without questioning every single SLT decision.

    Now I get it. It only took me 20 years to understand o_O
  18. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    Then...bring out the droids!
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  19. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    Precisely this,well said.
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  20. tenpast7

    tenpast7 Occasional commenter

    The "Fear Factor" and Teachers "looking out for themselves" and pretending they don't see colleagues who are struggling with difficult classes.
    SLT then pounce on experienced expensive staff, isolate them and save their precious Roles in the name of Pupil Progress or some other Target.

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