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I Daniel Blake

Discussion in 'Personal' started by monicabilongame, Jan 5, 2019.

  1. monicabilongame

    monicabilongame Star commenter

    Being shown on BBC2 at 9.45 tonight.

    It is well worth watching.
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  2. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    Yes tuning in. Should show up what Britain has become...apparently.
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  3. monicabilongame

    monicabilongame Star commenter

    Given that a woman had a heart attack during a PIP assessment but was too scared to leave in case her claim was rejected, and despite telling the assessor she was in agony, was ignored, the scenarios in I Daniel Blake are certainly not impossible or fantasy. I don't think there's anything in the film that hasn't happened somewhere since the tory policies were introduced.
  4. artboyusa

    artboyusa Star commenter

    Like you, I enjoy fiction which reinforces my pre-existing biases.
  5. Jude Fawley

    Jude Fawley Star commenter

    I watched it when it first came out in 2016 having been through the whole 'sanctions' thing with the DSS.

    I well remember just one DSS employee who made an exceptional payment of £50.00 to me and told me to go home and buy some food. There was one time I couldn't even find the energy to walk to the DSS having not eaten for days. Of course the most dangerous thing you can do after having not eaten for several days is to try to eat normally. You have to take it very slowly and eat a little at a time.

    Remember Samuel Butler's 'Erewhon' where it's a crime to not be in work.

    I've just watched 'Green Book' (2018) which I highly recommend. Movies are a great medium for showing up the utterly despicable behaviours on our planet.

    The great Carol White who ended her life in desperate straits.

  6. Jude Fawley

    Jude Fawley Star commenter

    I always find it interesting because my maternal grandmother had her kids taken off her and then my mum had my three elder siblings taken off her and eventually returned. I was put into care.

    For me, it's not only the middle classes who wallow in ignorance it's also the 'professionals' who so easily forget what it is to have to live like that. I abhor my own forgetfulness and social impotence.
  7. HelenREMfan

    HelenREMfan Star commenter

    I created locally as it wasn't destined to be shown at my local cinema complex - situated in one of the poorest, most deprived areas of the NW - we actually have the lowest incidence of car owning in the country I think. So I emailed the complex and it was eventually put on for showing. I managed to view it and then received email from my local Labour party branch announcing their going to see it with demo outside the cinema before the showing. I also bought the dvd to support the film maker/ producers.
    It's a good film with moments of humour interspacing the very vivid realities of what life can be like for people on benefits. I know only too well how much my friend with Cerebral Palsy is fretting over what was her lifelong award of DLA (the DWP do not seem to understand that you don't recover from CP!) which is going to be changed to PIP if she "passes" the assessment. It is upsetting to see how stressed she is by this even with evidence from her surgeons as to the toll on her body from her condition. By striving daily to cope and to bring up her lovely little girl her body is as her surgeon puts it....like the body of a 60+. She is 40 with crumbling hips and all sorts of other joint issues.
  8. Duke of York

    Duke of York Star commenter

    One of my residents had been on DLA, but was told she had to be assessed for PIP. She has a heart problem which for various reasons required both stainless steel and plastic shunts, each of which requires she take medication to prevent her body rejecting.

    She has diabetes. She has asthma. On a good day she can put her washing in the machine and stop by my office for a chat. on a bad day, her husband does it. I watch her come and go for her weekly blood tests. Some times she's OK, other times her husband pushes her in a wheelchair. She also has a nervous condition that causes one of her arms to shake uncontrollably, which embarrasses her and she uses her other hand to restrain it.

    On the day of her PIP assessment, they arrived early so she could be relaxed and not out of breath. As the time for her interview approached she took an extra dose of Ventalin.

    The PIP assessment was conducted by a clerk with no medical experience and there were no doctors present. The assessment recorded no evidence of breathing issues, no evidence of shaking, no evidence of any ailment that the 30 tablets per day she has been prescribed for exists.

    She got a letter saying she would no longer be in receipt of benefits and is currently going through the appeal process. Had she taken no measures to be able to breathe easily and talk coherently at the interview, nor held her shaky hand by the other to appear normal, she'd probably still be getting her disability benefits, but what can we expect from a system set up by a Tory toss pot like IDS other than for it to be a disaster like everything else he was involved with. Let us never forget that this total waste of a skin was a keen advocate and campaigner for Brexit, which alone tells you how unfit he was for office.

    It's an absolute disgrace the way this shower of schitt has been allowed to treat British citizens. People of Britain who worked hard all their life, paid their taxes and NI, deserve better treatment when they find themselves in need of support that this bag of schitt that the Tory party is wants to provide, whilst turning a blind eye to bankers who trashed the economy and those who don't pay their fair share of tax.

    Only bullies pick on the weakest and least able to defend themselves. That's the Tory Party all over.
  9. HelenREMfan

    HelenREMfan Star commenter

    Absolutely correct @Duke of York. Have had personal experience of this with my daughter who has been refused ESA time after time. Each time she goes to appeal and wins the appeal because of the medical evidence she has regarding her spinal issues. She has had one lot of surgery on her upper spine - like you don't undergo spinal surgery lightly or on a whim unless it is needed! All spinal operations have been stopped now at that hospital following some problems which have been discovered so she is in no man's land waiting for her lumbar spinal discs surgery. She has all the medical evidence one could need and corroborating evidence concerning her issues with gastric reflux as when she was under anaesthetic she apparently had episode of severe reflux which her orthopaedic surgeon spoke with her about post op. This was very helpful witness evidence for my daughter as she was sick of the scepticism she was met with re the gastric problems.
    She has now been awarded PIP and surprisingly she for once wasn't refused on her first application. She is no longer entitled to ESA as she is married and her husband works.
    What people do not realise is that one should not only describe what can be done on good days as DWP only then treat every day as a "good day" and this is where the Duke of York's resident went wrong. As shown in the film there are some folk working for DWP who are probably aghast at how they are now forced to work but it seems to be an evermore unfeeling layer of pointless bureaucracy whose prime mover is to deny people what is actually their right.
  10. needabreak

    needabreak Star commenter

    I agree with you both, however I have to say it started under the last Labour Government when ESA was introduced and assessment was contracted to an external organisation, at the same time DLA criteria for higher and then lower level payments were also changed. Things are of course much worse for people in those situations now but let us not pretend that the Labour party halo can be polished and is untainted.
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  11. Bedlam3

    Bedlam3 Star commenter

    I love the acting in this film. Some of them are so natural it's almost like being a fly on the wall in some parts. The DSS staff are particularly well played especially the one with blonde hair who keeps telling him " its not good enough" and also the other one who is kinder to him. The are both really good.
  12. vinnie24

    vinnie24 Lead commenter

    According to Kwartang it doesn't "reflect the political realities"
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  13. monicabilongame

    monicabilongame Star commenter

    1. And according to hundreds if not thousands of people who have experienced this, it perfectly reflects them. I work with some of those people; I hear the stories; I help them with their PIP claims. Has Kwartang experienced it for himself? Does he really know?
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  14. Duke of York

    Duke of York Star commenter

    @HelenREMfan, the housing association I work for specialises in supported housing for the elderly and is keen that its residents are in receipt of any benefits they are entitled to, since without them, if they get into difficulties, it can all end in unnecessary tears. We have a specialist team to help people claim benefits they are entitled to, manned by people whose careers were spent understanding how the benefits system works and know the precise wording of the rules for benefit entitlement off by heart, so are able to challenge inept decisions by the letter of the law and enable them to be overturned.

    However the team are few in number and can only deal with so many cases, so they try to bring people like me up to speed to assist our residents.

    A couple of months ago I attended a benefits workshop from which I learned some valuable tips.

    It seems the biggest problem claimants have is in completing claims forms correctly. Their claims forms end up in the in tray of every day clerical staff who have no medical knowledge, but are tasked with building a picture of the claimant's situation from, the information given on the claim form and it's frequently inadequate for them to judge whether the claim is justified.

    We build a mental image that those who deal with benefits claims are b.astards, but that's rarely the case. They are just clerks doing their jobs as best they are able.

    What I learned form the workshop I attended were that whilst claims forms are absurdly lengthy and appear to ask the same questions over and over again isn't intended to trip claimants up, it's there to encourage them to give a fuller explanation of their situation.

    It's tedious in the extreme to fill a forty odd page form out, but the person who reads it doesn't know the claimant from Adam and has a short time to assess whether the claim is valid. PIP is all about removing any compassion the clerk might have for the claimant and turning their condition into how well they score in each category of the claim form.

    They can only get a good score if the form provides the information required. A simple question such as "do you have difficulty preparing a meal" that gets answered by "My hands shake when I make a cup of tea and carry it into the lounge", Doesn't answer that question. It won't get any score.

    Had the answer been "I have arthritis and struggle to hold a knife so have difficulty in chopping vegetables and I can't stand up long enough to do that anyway and there's no room in the kitchen for me to sit on a chair to do it, the reader of the claim form will accept the question was answered as hoped and be able to award a score.

    It's the same thing as teaching to the test, which helps schools teachers to tick boxes that get kids into university, but says little about their ability to be beneficiaries of the education a university education will bring them.
  15. sparkleghirl

    sparkleghirl Star commenter

    Absolutely. Nu-Labour shares the responsibility for this.
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  16. HelenREMfan

    HelenREMfan Star commenter

    It's the climate though..... a very different climate under the Tories.
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  17. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

    Funny and to the point.
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  18. Lalad

    Lalad Star commenter

    My sister, now in her mid-fifties, has schizophrenia with paranoia, and has been on medication since her late teens. It takes her at least half an hour to leave the house because she has to check and re-check the doors, locks, taps etc.

    She has never worked - even volunteering in a charity shop hasn't worked as she becomes paranoid that other staff are plotting against her and/or thinks customers are talking about her and confronts them. She has been on ESA in the 'support' group but recently had an assessment which has resulted in her being moved to the 'activity' group. Apparently, in the interview, it was noted that she 'does not become aggressive or violent' so could cope with being in the workplace.

    With immediate effect, her income has been cut by £30 a week because she has been deemed 'fit for work' - even though she has been told she will not receive any activity-based support to help her find employment for at least 6 months. The process does not seem to have been logically thought through.
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  19. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    This wasn’t based on fiction. If you think so then you are not a very caring sort. Then I knew that before hand.
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  20. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    What makes me annoyed is the tories leading in the opinion polls. Still. Despite all this going on, Corbyn is getting a bad deal from the press but f f s..

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