not just me then. Whilst you may find it humourous to go off on a tangent on a thread I don't see it as helpful, and the negativity is something that all mathematics teachers are faced with. As for computers it is mainly about money.. microsoft shuffle all the controls and shortcuts about every so often and market it as a new improved version for which they sell training and charge the earth to upgrade to. The negativity against maths is partly laziness and partly sneering at those that have a skill/talent that 'they' themselves do not. Thank you.