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I am not sure who is more criminal... our useless government or our SLT?

Discussion in 'Personal' started by red_observer, Sep 21, 2020.

  1. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    I emailed and told to her face one of the incompetent SLT at our school today. I said I refuse to teach in a room with a broken and now closed window (there are only 2 in the room) and will seek another one. She has yet to reply.

    so it’s ok for me to die. She’s a criminal
    In my eye.

    then we are told to set seating plans for every lesson. Fine. But then at lunch the same groups are unsupervised and no seating plans... so are they saying you can’t catch it at lunch time but you can in lessons? This is an act of criminality and I’m thinking of reporting it to the police.

    im sick of our SLT.
  2. SparkMaths

    SparkMaths Established commenter

    Fair enough with the window. You've been explained to about things like the other point before.

    The virus isn't 100% transmission, so it's about reducing the amount of time students are in contact to reduce the number of chances of transmission.

    Seeing each other for 30 mins is much less risk than sitting next to each other for 5 hours. It's never going to be perfect.
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  3. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    I didn’t say it is going to be perfect. Other staff are teaching in that room but either don’t seem to care or are afraid to speak out.

    Tiyr second argument is complacency beyond belief. Are you SLT by any chance? Dear me.
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  4. SparkMaths

    SparkMaths Established commenter

    What do you suggest? Isolation booths? Strap them into their seats for the entire day?
  5. Sally006

    Sally006 Star commenter

    My sympathies, Red. I too feel that the same “ostrich” mentality exists in our school. They almost mirror the Government. What sort of school bans discussion of Covid in their staff room and forbids staff talking about their symptoms - well they try to but it’s ignored of course. I think their reasoning behind this is that it causes unnecessary anxiety in a workplace. They believe our school is magically Covid free with no transmission.

    Ive been off with what I presume is flu. I had a negative test. I was truly bed ridden though and only just coming out the other side. Kids with similar symptoms are told to be off for 7 days unless they get a negative test (many waiting in the testing fiasco) but some how one was allowed back today after only 6 days off and no test. I’m convinced this is a blaze reaction to an ever threatening crisis. “I guess if the kid’s teacher was negative, this one was likely to have been off with the same bug so let’s have him back early!”. A total failure to appreciate this might have been a totally different bug with this child, who has siblings in other schools.

    Red, I’m with you on this. ThIs negligence is going to kill someone!
  6. Sally006

    Sally006 Star commenter

    Some of us are stuck with them for 6 hours!
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  7. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    Yes sorry it comes o er a bit strong but when you’ve been treated like I have been...

    I just think we should end bubbles and wear masks at all time. That will reduce the risk even further. I’ve been saying this for weeks.
  8. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    Thank you @Sally006 i just feel staff are being treated like dog ends.

    I see staff in Ireland are balloting for strike action over working conditions. Where are our useless unions?
  9. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    Our managers really are poor human beings. They only get there as they climb the ladder. They don’t like dealing with staff because they’ve lost touch. They then try to say “we are all in this together” as though we really are. I despise many of them and have done all my career. This epidemic has shown them for what they are.

    I can see Lockdown 2 now. We are entering a cold wet period. We have to stop people moving about. We can’t let things get out of control like they have been over the summer. That’s a huge mistake by this Tory shambles.

    I certainly don’t have all the answers but let’s end bubbles for goodness sake and get everyone wearing masks at all times
  10. monicabilongame

    monicabilongame Star commenter

    I still say the Government.
    So, £100bn of taxpayers' money will be paying for 'operation moonshot' but we will still have to pay for the tests:

    Dido Harding said that individuals and companies would have to pay to access the proposed tests, which would return results in as little as 15 minutes, as a “cost of doing business”.

    "Up to 10million of the tests are due to be made available every day as a way of getting the UK closer to normality before the advent of a coronavirus vaccine. If you take the test and get a negative result it means you are not contagious – even if you are infected – and can therefore visit the theatre, attend a conference or socialise without fear of passing on Covid-19 that day."

    Meanwhile, who will be benefitting?


    (tweet by Jolyon Maugham QC)

  11. Morninglover

    Morninglover Star commenter

    If the accommodation in a school isn't safe and alternatives are not available, pupils should be sent home.
  12. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    Thank you.

    I can’t believe the posters reply. Disgraceful
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  13. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    Surely it can't be right @monicabilongame that Johnson's testing programme is going to cost £ 100 billion?

    I know it's not your claim, you're just quoting someone's tweet, but that doesn't sound remotely credible to me. £100 billion on tests alone!

    At the moment the entire UK public expenditure on everything - NHS, social services, pensions, armed forces, civil service, all local government expenditure on education, social care and all council services, everything - is only around £850 billion.

    For a £100 billion testing programme they could install a private testing lab and staff for it in every home in the country to be there 24/7 and test us all several times a day!
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  14. ACOYEAR8

    ACOYEAR8 Star commenter

    I feel your pain.
    They are largely in the a state of controlled panic as numbers begin to spiral and local lockdowns loom.
    It's frustrating that when emergencies come along, individuals need to consult manuals and guidance effectively bypassing common sense and opening the floodgates to the very thing they're trying to prevent. Seating plans vs lunches etc is a classic example of this. Sticky tape and masks and all that jazz comprises our arsenal against the virus. I think leaders both in school and in Whitehall need to take action, stop the pathetic dependence on these farcical placebos such as stickers on floors and gel dispensers. It's not proved its worth so far......
    The rule enforcers are not out there with the children, they're not in there with the children and they're not exposing themselves to the risk we are. Broken windows, things that do not work should be fixed immediately. Have you thought of asking if her office is free for you to use a s a temporary measure until the window is mended ?
  15. install

    install Star commenter

    I would not report it to the police. I would request the policy on safeguarding and health and safety and continue to refuse to teach in such rooms. I would also leave the door open at all times.

    In terms of the rooms at dinner time, if it’s the same bubble there shouldn’t be a problem. However I would keep my distance as a teacher and wear my mask.

    However I would get out of the school at dinner time - even if it means going round the corner. Remember teachers are not paid for dinner time and shouldn’t have to be seen to act as if they are.
  16. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    Great post thank you.

    She is negligent and when this is all over I will call her out for telling me to stay in that room with a broken window.

    I’m tempted to make a citizens arrest
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  17. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    Very good post.

    Only point I would challenge is that it DOES matter it’s the same bubble as these kids could be asymptomatic.

    wait for the rain and cold weather to kick in..
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  18. hhhh

    hhhh Star commenter

    Well, you can catch it on a bus/at a wedding/in your parents' house, but schools are safe, aren't they? Just as pubs are safe at 9.59 but dangerous at 10.01.
    And many of your students might have vulnerable parents, even if they are less vulnerable themselves.

    I'm not sure than two windows would make much difference-don't get me wrong, I am very sympathetic to all teachers (and the families of their students); I just don't see how there's any safe way of having schools open FT for all pupils.
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  19. Katzenjammer

    Katzenjammer Senior commenter

    Red Observer: if I were a member of your SLT and frequented TES Personal, then I would by now have been able to infer who you are.

    "She's criminal in my eye"; "our incompetent SLT"; "This is an act of criminality and I'm going to report it to the police"; "our managers are really poor human beings"; "I despise them and have done all my career".

    As angry and disappointed as you may be with what you see as very weak management, I think you would have a hard time defending those remarks in front of a disciplinary hearing. And given that you despise unions so much [and have, no doubt, told them], I don't suppose you'd get much support from your union rep either.

    The highest I ever reached in the educational ladder was the post of deputy Head of Faculty, a post in which I spent three quarters of my life teaching, so I am not tarred with the SLT brush and I sympathise with your complaint. At the same time I think you need to be cautious: as a person you come across on here as, well, let us say an acquired taste, and there could well be someone on your SLT only too glad to drop you in it. Verbum sapientes and all that.
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  20. hhhh

    hhhh Star commenter

    I'm sorry to say I feel the same. But is Starmer any better than the Tories? Who is protecting teachers, students, their families and communities?
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