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Discussion in 'Teaching abroad' started by Foneypharaoh, Oct 27, 2011.
That's going to give him sleepless nights...
Your opinion is wrong and will affect people's careers. Negatively.
And you're asking me to calm down?
This is not good. Not good at all.
You're not British are you...?
With an equal amount of voddie, I hope, SD.
I would guess there are plenty of shools out there, that will lie to teachers during an interview about the quality of their school, their contract details etc. In this situation i see no problem with someone jumping ship - especially if they hate it.
I was blatantly lied to during an interview five years ago. I asked reasonable and sensible questions and did all the research i could on the school and the town i would be living in. Information on the school was hard to come by, so i asked good questions during the interview... This all counted for s@@t when on my 2nd day at the school they changed the terms of the contract. The following day we (the new teachers) found out that all of our predecessors had been sacked to make way for some 'foreign faces'. The leader of the Union for teachers brought this too our attention and warned us that these 'teachers' all had good friends that will still teaching at the school. Not to mention the lie in the interview that 100% of the students progressed onto University - on that very first day a 25 year experienced new teacher went to the Principal to complain about the behaviour of the Year 13 Class. I had this class and the only way they were going onto University is if the University paid them to go! I asked the question, what is the discipline policy - the answer = we dont have one, because the students stopped coming to detention, so we decided to stop it! Fantastic idea.
The school had tons of other problems, that when they were all added up (my flat was in the middle of no-where and was infested with cockroaches and ants and located on a motorway under construction) i decided to jump ship. Why stay at a school that has lied to you from the outset? I was not enjoying my time there, so i decided to move on. I had a brief gap in my cv....but found a new job in a prestigious school and my life is good. My decision to jump ship....was a great decision.
Yeah i considered the fact that as a teacher i had a responsiblity to the students but at the end of the day its a job. Other people quit jobs before their contract expires, but we have to do whats morally right for the children? I would agree 100% if the school had kept its promises. But we are under no obligation to do that if the school has tricked us/lied to us. Yeah i understand the argument, that you should not follow their example by acting 'unprofessionally' but this is your life. They have screwed with your life...and if they need a new teacher they can hire a new teacher...or perhaps hire the person they sacked so you could take their job. (Before anyone pts out that i obviously dont care about my students....please rest assured i do. Perhaps not as much as you, but i still consider their interests).
I just wish we could name and shame schools that lie to teachers, or screw teachers over. Yeah i know about *** and used to have a subscription but most i guess do not have subscriptions and TES wont even allow you to say if School XXXX is a good school!
For some of you older more experienced teachers....who experienced these issues and stuck around. Well good for you, but not everyone is the same. I dont regret my decision, just as i guess some that stayed...dont have regrest either.
Congratz if you read this all the way through haha. Apologies if i bored you to hell.
I don't think anyone (or at least not most) posters are saying that you should always stay in a hellhole/dangerous or even fraudulent situation. That is a personal decision and as long as you are willing to accept the consequences (if any) then so be it.
The question was should you do runner if the major problem is you are bored or simply not used to a quieter, less urban lifestyle. Again, my inclination would be to stick it out, but others are free to act differently. Some will land on their feet (congratulations btw, not that you were just bored of cockroach racing), others may suffer for it.
*** is a great resource (although decidedly not perfect). You do not need a subscription to write a review or to read/post on their forum (where schools can be named and shamed).
Wise words wrldtrvlr123.
I was sort of answering a different question
You could identify the school on here without naming it. For example I work at the Biscuit school in Cairo. There is also a school here called the Al Jolson school. However, these are both good schools so need for any slating.
Come on Rainbow, name the shithole you jumped from.
I would not have jumped, but I might have been pushed. If I worked under bullying management, as I did as an NQT (Gerry Burgess - Evesham, fat, foul breathed, smelly, wanker. God knows what he smells like now if he's alive...) I would tell them to GFTs
This rings a bell. During the telephone interview for my first international school in Germany I was told that my preprocessor wanted to leave early to join her partner in Australia. When I got there I found out that she had in fact been sacked. Subsequently my 6 month contract was not extended, the new maths teacher has replaced one and a half teachers, and, except for an art, german and french teacher, all the secondary teachers that were there when I joined have now "left".
So, yes, if you have been blatantly lied to, then maybe it's best to get out before you are shafted even more. But,
I don't think doing a runner because you are bored, or can't go out every night and pull the chicks, is really on.
Blimey, where is that place? Gizzajob!
I thought squirrels were more your bag, Dave.
David I agree with you. Doing a runner because you're bored is completely unprofessional. But if you were lied to and are being taken complete advantage of is a different story. I love teaching but the school I'm in is putting me off it. So what do you do then? You take it for a year and hope you'll get out of it stronger and not broken or do you drop everything and go? It seems so easy to make the wrong decision. I wasn't telling anyone to give up and leave their jobs just because they're bored and I apologise if I came across as giving that sort of advice.
Micro - it's a year! And it might or might not make you stronger, but it will certainly make you a lot wiser.
There are the kids to think about too and (and I know you poo pooed this earlier) the CV IS important.
Now, indicate the school;. that is your responsibility on here, don't you think?
My first international teaching experience was horrible. I was lied to in the interview (although alarm bells should have been ringing as I was offered a job after a 5 minute phone interview!!!!) I was never paid correctly (at one point I had to ring up my parents begging for money as they had not paid me and I was going to get evicted) and so many more problems and issues that I will not go into now as it will take too long. I even got threatened by the school when I left! Luckily the Deputy understood what was going on and gave me a fantastic reference, indeed she also left after numerous contract breaches at the end of the school year.
I got out and it was the best thing I ever did. When asked about my experience and why left I am honest and most potential employers thank me and I have found that it has not stopped me from getting a job.
I am now working at an International school in the Netherlands with my Dutch partner that I met while I was at the first international school so things do work in mysterious ways. See how things go but untimately the decision is up to you.
I suppose a year won't kill me or holidaycounter...it just gets very frustrating at times and I've never been through this kind of thing before so I'm in a bit of a panic. I know if this was happening to somebody else I'd say "don't sweat it, it's just a year". And of course the kids are a very strong reason to stay. This is a school were teachers apparently come and go very frequently so it would be nice for them to have some stability for a bit...I guess I'll keep looking for something else for next year and see how that goes. But then of course it would still be bad to have had one year only in a school on my CV wouldn't it? Bah - I'm not very good at this decision making process, clearly...
Any chance you could tell us which country you are in Micro?
I wont mention the schools name as i dont want the thread to be pulled, and right now i cant think of a nickname for the school. The School was in North Cyprus. Have not heard much about the place since i left.
I was somewhat fortunate, that i had a decent amount of money stashed away in my bank account so i did not have to worry about this. I know another teacher was in debt, and leaving was no option for him.
I worked at a school in the middle east where we had a few runners, but i enjoyed working there. I left after 2 years, not because of the school (well in part) but mostly because i wanted a more exciting lifestyle. Two teachers that ran (a married couple), had over 20 years of experience, a couple of others that did the same were relatively new teachers.
Different for all i guess. Some love it, others hate it. Some can put up with it, others can't.
Good night and good luck.
Well, this is always a very bad sign. It means that either there is something wrong with the school, or there is a problem living where it is located.
Looking at the good schools in Berlin, one trend is very obvious. They have very low turnover.
The good thing about squirrels - they go straight for your nuts
Hey man, as this sounds to be a social issue and not a work issue I thinkI can give you some advice. Living abroad is hard, it´s only easy once you´ve been there for many many years and have worked up a nice social network of good friends. I hate the fact that people always think that my time working in South America was a holiday, but in fact it was a lot of hard work socially and profesionally. The main thing that you have to learn to cope with is lonliness. It is something that we all have to go through and it can be hard, but with time you learn to cope with it. With time, you also learn ways which can help you integrate better into the local population.
To start with, you should read up on culture shock and recognise the signs. Next you should start to search for group events/clubs/classes that you can join where you can mix with the locals, meet people and hopefully strike up some relationships. A good place to start is couchsurfing, check out the groups for your city, there will be many kind people there willing to get to know you and help you in your process of settling in. How about cooking classes? Is there anything you´ve been wanting to learn? Look hard for a sports tema to join is you like that. Maybe find the nearest 5-a side pitches and go down kitted up with a ball and kick it around until someone turns up to play. Say hello and ask if you can play with them. Its more common than you think and if you make it a regular thing you´ll soon have some friends. I agree with the fact that you should get away from the western bubble and this is exactly how you have to begin. How about a local bar or café/restaurant that you could frequent, maybe just to have a coffee while you go over you Spanish homework. Its hard man, I´v been there several times, those first few months when it´s come to Friday night and you jsut want to go out and socialise but your phone doesn´t ring and you´ve got no one to call. But you get through it with patience, it won´t come quickly, unless you´re luckily. In my experience and that of many other of my globe trotting friends is that you need 6 months just to adapt to your new home, a whole year to feel settled and understand your surroundings. After a year you should have at least a 1 or 2 good friends and many other associates. Latin Americans are a very heartfelt people and you may be luckily enough to be adopted by a local family.
Learn the language, I can´t emphasise this enough, break down those barriors, buy books on the culture and history of the country. Listen to the local music, eat the local food, learn the local dances. Integrating into a foreign culture will be one of the most awarding processes of your life, but it takes time, patience and determination. Don´t give up now, you´ve only just begun
Yeah, so tell the rest of us where it is so that we can step in when they cut you loose.
Nothing to fear there robby my friend. I say nothing on here I'm ashamed of and if it were the school in question they obviously like my CV and need someone like me asap. Anyhow, possibly going the other way round the globe but with agents involved its a mixture of heartbreaks and and half truths anyhow.
Wishing you well.