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HS2 to go ahead.

Discussion in 'Personal' started by nomad, Feb 11, 2020.

  1. nomad

    nomad Star commenter

    At least as far as Birmingham.

    Is it supposed to look like The Stig?

    needabreak, colpee and Jamvic like this.
  2. HelenREMfan

    HelenREMfan Star commenter

    Not that I want the bloody thing or think it at all necessary (why on earth should we pay all this terrible amount of money to take 20 mins travelling time for the Tory politicians now representing constituencies north of Watford?) Now we in the north are going to be paying for it and not receiving any 'service' at all !!
    jellycowfish and Kandahar like this.
  3. Duke of York

    Duke of York Star commenter

    It's strikingly reminiscent of this.

  4. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    I was sorry not to see any attempt to deal with two of the greatest failings of the proposals:

    Terminating at Euston instead of St Pancras will mean that folk from the Midlands and North who intend to continue their train journey into Europe will have to hump their cases along the Euston Road, or take a one-stop tube ride, to St Pancras.

    The Birmingham terminus at Curzon Street is seriously inconvenient, with no clear access to the main Birmingham rail-hub at New Street.
  5. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    It's not going to be much use for the majority of them: it shoots straight through most of those constituencies without stopping.
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  6. Kandahar

    Kandahar Lead commenter

    And does nothing to address the North's biggest need: cross country.
    lanokia likes this.
  7. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

    Apparently it will go up to Crewe. I gather that they are also trying to move up the timeline a little.
    I'm sure it will move across eventually. Apparently it was a cost thing.
  8. BreakEven

    BreakEven New commenter

    The mind boggles. It'll be interesting to see if it's all that it pumped up to be.
  9. Duke of York

    Duke of York Star commenter

    It wouldn't be beyond the realms of imagination to install a moving walkway between the two stations. All the supermarkets round my way, have what they claim to be walkways to get from the car park into the store.

    It's something that frequently puzzles me, because these so-called "walkways" are intended to be escalators you can put a trolley on. The trolley wheels are designed to lock into the walkway for safety reasons, but that of course, prevents any walking on them. Our local Sainsburys gives out announcements as you reach the end, which say "Please remember to push your trolley off the walkway." It makes these announcements whether of not you have a trolley and the "walkways are right next to the checkouts, so checkout staff have to listen to this nonsense all day long.

    I suspect some of them sabotage the "walkways", because there's barely a month goes by when they stop working and everyone has to use the lifts instead, which incidentally don't give the message of "Please remember to push your trolley out of the lift."
    Last edited: Feb 11, 2020
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  10. Duke of York

    Duke of York Star commenter

    Ever since Marie Lloyd first sang "Oh Mr Porter, it's been the fear of train travellers hoping to alight at Birmingham, that they'd be taken on to Crewe.
    blazer and emerald52 like this.
  11. lindenlea

    lindenlea Star commenter

    It'll cause chaos round here - in fact it already is eating up the countryside. It'll pass about 2miles as the crow flies from us. :(
  12. artboyusa

    artboyusa Star commenter

    This government is running up some really bad calls in a really short space of time.
  13. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

  14. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    I want HS2. I want high speed rail. More and more people crammed into the existing network.

    But... I'm not convinced this will increase capacity and I have no idea how the cost has got so high. I saw a cost comparison (adjusted for inflation) and this is costing more than the Panama Canal. (Please someone tell me I'm wrong)
  15. Kandahar

    Kandahar Lead commenter

    You are wrong. We need to slow down, travel less, and consder east to west rather than the obsession with south to north.
    Nellyfuf2 and lindenlea like this.
  16. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

    I think that the issue is that the London to Birmingham section is at once the most expensive part, the most difficult part, the most basic / essential part and yet the part that will bring the fewest immediate changes. Once built, however, I'm hopeful the rest will fall into place and it can be the beginning of a countrywide network.
    eljefeb90 likes this.
  17. burajda

    burajda Star commenter

    I love going South to Paris and back in day. Much better than the old eight hour trip via Calais or Dieppe. Or I could go west to Swansea in about the same journey time.
  18. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Star commenter

    You in the North are unlikely to be paying anything towards it.
  19. Duke of York

    Duke of York Star commenter

    Something I read recently, said the cost depends on how many trains per hour they run on The cost doubles for every additional train they add to the timetable.
  20. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Star commenter

    The need for extra tunnelling and cuttings to placate affected communities, 2011 prices no longer apply, poor initial cost estimates, poor initial surveys, longer project duration.

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