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How to handle challenging Y6 maths.

Discussion in 'Private tutors' started by theluckycat, May 24, 2018.

  1. theluckycat

    theluckycat Occasional commenter

    Hi, I'm an experienced tutor and am teacher-trained, with 5 years experience. I tutor all across the primary range from YR to Year 6. I have GCSEs in Maths/English, a degree in English and 90% of maths and English I am secure in. Sometimes however I will be asked to help with challenging reasoning questions in maths, e.g. homework presented spontaneously, that I do struggle with to be honest. I am volunteeering an afternoon a week in my local school's Year 6 class in order to keep up to speed with best practice, however how do other tutors handle being presenting with such questions? I am good at what I do, but the top group Year 6 reasoning and problem-solving is stretching, and I do feel that I should be able to help my pupils with it. With half an hour at home I am able to explain such questions, but I do need that bit of time to myself in order to work them out. How do other tutors handle such an issue?
  2. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    Is GCSE your highest Mathematics qualification?
    Last edited: May 24, 2018
  3. NoSuchThingAsNormal

    NoSuchThingAsNormal New commenter

    If you did not get an A at GCSE you are not much further along than a strong Y6. You could study the new maths GCSE.
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  4. armandine2

    armandine2 Established commenter

    Questions can be formed from the same basic content that are mathematically more challenging than others - it is a standard method of differentiating - it may in practice mean that you just need to be more aware of these 'ingenious' representations.
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  5. theluckycat

    theluckycat Occasional commenter

    My Maths GCSE was from 20 years ago, I am happy to study for another one, however suspect the content may largely be irrelevant for primary. I can get students through KS2 SATS with a good result, and got 96% on the KS2 SPAG SAT when I had a go at it recently. I am good at a lot of stuff, it's just that parents don't often ask for help with the top level English work (I am studying for a Masters in English at present). It's the top level Y6 Maths work they occasionally present to me that I need time to work out, and which I would therefore like to improve on. Would taking another maths GCSE help, in people's opinion?
  6. armandine2

    armandine2 Established commenter

  7. theluckycat

    theluckycat Occasional commenter

    Fab, once I've got my Master out of the way I think a bit of CPD might be in order.
  8. phatsals

    phatsals Occasional commenter

    Have you actually taught past NQT or had much experience with upper KS2?
  9. alsoamum

    alsoamum New commenter

    If you do a search on here for White Rose Maths, their materials are very good for reasoning and if you were to work through those you would be able to find where your gaps are.
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  10. theluckycat

    theluckycat Occasional commenter

    Fab, bodmas fine, long division fine, that sort of White Rose reasoning, conceptual, thinking outside the box is my area of focus.
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  11. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    Why do people who cannot do Maths feel justified in taking money for attempting to tutor in it other people's children? My language skills barely rise to 'Allo 'Allo but I would not dream of setting myself up as an MFL tutor.

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  12. armandine2

    armandine2 Established commenter

  13. Khan academy that
  14. sabram86

    sabram86 Occasional commenter

    The reasoning tests can be convoluted, but the best approach is to break down the question and to identify what elements may trip you up. They are not really all that hard, they just defy very straightforward tackling.

    As for having no more than a maths GCSE - that is all that is required for full-time primary teachers, no doubt some of the "maths specialists" too.
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  15. theluckycat

    theluckycat Occasional commenter

    Thanks, I do love Khan Academy, he is brilliant.
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  16. Stiltskin

    Stiltskin Lead commenter

    Hmm, where do you think you are struggling @theluckycat ? taking the idea that problem solving is underpinned by conceptual understanding, mathematical thinking and language&communication.

    Similarly when working with your students they should be developing these, and so you're not the answer key. get them to talk through their ideas and explain why. You prompt them in their thinking.
  17. Abitofeverything

    Abitofeverything New commenter

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  18. theluckycat

    theluckycat Occasional commenter

    Fabulous advice, I worked through the problem-solving questions-having prepared them at home-with said child tonight. Lots of scaffolding and he was quite foxed by them, but I explained that reasoning questions I always imagine like a ball of wool, they take time to untangle. It’s ok to sit there and think, ‘I wonder if it’s...’ They’re not like the very procedural arithmetic questions. Anyway good to stretch his brain cells, just need to make sure mine have been fully stretched in preparation.
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  19. Kateray1

    Kateray1 Occasional commenter

    A bit harsh and arrogant.

    I have taught maths and science for 8 years now and just got grade 3 in my maths gcse which I bothered to take as my cse was outdated. The grade is not spectacular until you consider what u originally got and the education we received!

    I am quite able and confident in maths.

    If the original poster is struggling in an area I would say google it and do some self learning however to boost her self esteem and confidence I would say tackle the gcse, you will soon see where you are then.

    I retake mine again next year!
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  20. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    You have been taking money to tutor Mathematics for eight years on a CSE of goodness knows what grade, have only today received your GCSE, it's a grade 3 out of 9 and you call me 'harsh and arrogant'?


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