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How many is too many?

Discussion in 'Special educational needs' started by Freya13, Jul 22, 2011.

  1. Freya13

    Freya13 New commenter

    Just wondered how many children are in your special school classes? And how many you would consider too many? Our children have multiple needs (ranging from physical to behaviour in the same class), all have SLD. How many TAs do you have to support the children?
  2. I work in a residential school and, in the classrooms here, we have between 4 to 6 students per class-never more than 6, and 6 support staff per class. They are grouped in several ways-there are PMLD specific classes, SLD specific classes, MLD specific classes and then classes that specialise in challenging behaviour.
  3. MLD/ASD, up to 12-14 per class, one TA, sometimes two. It can come as a shock to pupils used to one-to-one in mainstream to move to special needs and find they have far less individual attention
  4. I forgot to say we are a very small school with less and less new students each year as it is a private placement so a lot of local authorities are very reluctant to fund a placement that is out of county. That might be why the classes are so small but it does mean that most of the students get 1 to 1 attention all the time.
  5. Loony tunes

    Loony tunes New commenter

    I teach in a MLD/SLD school for 11-19 year olds. It varies but most classes for next year have 9-10 pupils with 2, sometimes 3 TAs. This year I had 10 children with 1 TA - really not enough for the needs of my class!!!
  6. R13

    R13 New commenter

    Your classes aren't small because LAs don't want to place kids with you - they are very small and therefore very very expensive . . . . and that's why LAs don't want to place with you.
  7. You are right but we are experiencing a falling roll at the moment and the reason that is being given by executives is that LAs always prefer to place students in county as this is cheaper-I'll admit I may have misunderstood what they have said as I'm no good with the finance side of things. Just out of interest, why do small classes cost more? I know there's probably a really basic explanation but, like I said, I'm no good with finance details.
  8. R13

    R13 New commenter

    Special schools typically spend about 90% + of their budgets on staffing
    If one special school has 10 kids in a class with say 2 assistants it may cost about £10,000 per pupil to educate each child. If another school is employing 1 teacher and 2 assistants for 5 kids then the education will be more like £20,000 per pupil
  9. Oh OK-I get it now.
  10. dzil

    dzil Occasional commenter

    Seems a high (but necessary) staff to pupil ratio. 2 to 9 (our ratio) is really not enough to enable real learning to happen!
  11. R13

    R13 New commenter

    Must remember to let my teachers and assistants know that some people think we're well off . . . .we certainly do try and spend the budget on getting the best ratios
  12. <font size="2">been teaching unqualified in an EBD school for over 1 year, when i started it was around 4-6 pupils in a class always having a TA, just before i left things changes classes now averaged 6-8 pupils and more often than not no TA! due to LA keeping pupils in county and no extra funding! we also had many many seriously difficult pupils being placed in the school. </font>

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