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How easy did you find it to gain your first International job?

Discussion in 'Teaching abroad' started by Ds2d12, Oct 3, 2019.

  1. Ds2d12

    Ds2d12 Occasional commenter

    I’ve sent a few applications off, but not heard anything. Unsure if I’m being impatient, unrealistic or just not writing a good application!
  2. percy topliss

    percy topliss Established commenter

    22 years ago it was easy...not so much any more...CV 1 page? Make sure you are willing to offer above and beyond when it comes to D of E and ECA's. You certainly need to leap off the desk these days.

  3. Unconventional33

    Unconventional33 New commenter

    Can you elaborate? I am also looking and I would love to know what recruiters might be looking for...and what's D of E? ECA? I work in the US and not familiar with some of the terminology in overseas/UK education
  4. taiyah

    taiyah Occasional commenter

    Easy. I've only worked in two schools. Both contacted my referees and sent my contract inside 5 days.. 10 years in the circuit. One found by myself and the other through an agency. I always ask for feedback and both have said that,

    1st: my specific university took me straight to the interview pile
    2nd: years of full time work in the same school coming out from university
    3rd: middle management experience, I stated how many members were in my team.

    Basically sings..... reputable and world renowned education + long-term prospects + team player (collaboration).
  5. frogusmaximus

    frogusmaximus Occasional commenter

    Easy . . . but here is the catch, my first four posts were all secured after the commencement of the school year and I was in effect an emergency solution replacing someone who had quit, been sacked or been a no show. They were desperate and my career history showed I was a reliable practitioner to step in at short notice and save the day. My history of short term contracts in the UK - one of the main reasons I wished to look overseas - had ironically worked in my favour.

    Some kids come out of training college and straight into a local school who know them or who they impressed on teacher practice. If you have shown an ability to handle the work, taken on some degree of management and have people who will give a good reference, I don't think you would have any problems securing overseas work in one of the better schools. If you fall short in one of those areas, whether a reflection of your ability or not, you may have to take a less desirable post and use it as a stepping stone.

    But of course, like any job, the more desirable it is, the more people apply. I once secured a position in a very competitive UK city, in which 100 applicants fought over every advertised full time post, since I was the sole applicant (rough neighbourhood, coming out of special measures).
  6. T0nyGT

    T0nyGT Lead commenter

    Duke of Edinburgh (think it's called the International Award) overseas and Extra Curricular Activities.

    As for the OP. I found the job relatively easier and was recruited by the head after sending my CV the year before. It's not a geographical area that finds it easier to recruit so I was a shoe-in.

    It's very early in the recruitment season now. Schools will have their pick of the most experienced and qualified applicants. Once those guys get jobs then it gets easier for the less-experienced and so on.
    Last edited: Oct 4, 2019
  7. tb9605

    tb9605 Established commenter

    It took me just over a year, partly because I was very picky. Lack of IB experience meant I missed out on one post after being flown out for interview. I then got my current job based on a skype interview - I'm a very confident speaker and present well, though I think it was my description of how I differentiate in class that really swung it for me. A lot of the things mentioned above - reputable University + 5 years in previous post + management experience - also really helped make me shine on paper, as did a proven ability with foreign languages, a history of living overseas and (given that English is my specialism) a couple of years teaching TEFL.
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  8. Ds2d12

    Ds2d12 Occasional commenter

    I’ve been teaching 10 years. Maths degree. Some leadership experience. Have mentioned ECA. So hopefully it’s just a waiting game now ha. Thanks.
  9. yasf

    yasf Established commenter

    Signed up with Search Associates ? That might help.
    dumbbells66 likes this.
  10. gulfgolf

    gulfgolf Established commenter

    Over 25 years ago... easy peasy. I went from casual conversations to an actual offer in the blink of an eye, regardless that I wouldn't be finishing my qualification until a year my contract started.
    Today? Not so much like that....
  11. frogusmaximus

    frogusmaximus Occasional commenter

    Not if you haven't got three referees willing to fall over themselves to give them a reference for you. I didn't have. You know the rest.
    yasf likes this.
  12. Ds2d12

    Ds2d12 Occasional commenter

    I’m still waiting for my references for search associates
  13. yasf

    yasf Established commenter

    The trick is that one of the three can be a parent or colleague etc.
  14. T0nyGT

    T0nyGT Lead commenter

    Lots of school ask for 3 anyway
  15. Unconventional33

    Unconventional33 New commenter

    I believe ISS wants a reference from your current school so that you become visible to schools. It's a very uncommon practice (in the US at least) to list current school principals and supervisors for references. It's like you're telling them I'm trying to get out of here, which many times may be the case but it could have negative effects on your relationships...some superiors can be very touchy. Other times, it's more like I'm content here but I am seeking better or exciting opportunities but if I don't get them I'm still content here (which is my scenario).

    How do you go about getting that current reference or did I misunderstand?
    gyselsolerswim likes this.
  16. frogusmaximus

    frogusmaximus Occasional commenter

    Pointless though innit?

    Going back for a third school reference would take me back ten years. Utterly irrelevant to who I am now. Even within five years over my career i was finding references had changed email address, retired or simply didn't give the time of day to an email that demanded their time.

    Further, so much is a lie. Had one friend write her own reference that the head signed, another head who refused to supply references and given the reason for many a move is tied in to leadership incompetence, the principal is often the last person on Earth you'd want to speak on your behalf.

    For me, let's be realistic, a line manager from your current post and a colleague you've worked with.
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  17. gyselsolerswim

    gyselsolerswim New commenter

    I completely agree!! That’s my issue right now.
  18. sparkleshine

    sparkleshine New commenter

    Very easy - 4 years experience teaching in the UK, but I’m Early Years so that could be part of the reason as there is often high demand for us and more jobs available as a result. I got down to the interview stage for one school and was unsuccessful ultimately as they wanted someone with overseas experience, but I went on Search Associates, was contacted by a school within a couple of days and ended up accepting the position after a Skype interview. I was very happy with my decision and it worked out well for me, my salary and benefits package are good versus cost of living.
  19. T0nyGT

    T0nyGT Lead commenter

    Yeah I agree completely. Some schools even demand the Head Teacher of your previous school as one of the references. A sincerely doubt he would remember my name.

    The head of my current school has seen me teach twice in 5 years. Both times he didn't look particularly interested but felt he had to since they had inspectors coming in next week. I know of at least one teacher he has thrown under a bus with references to try and keep them on as the school struggles to recruit.

    It sounds counter-intuitive to suggest that the head teacher is not a useful reference, but in many schools they will have very little idea of how a teacher is performing outside of results day.
  20. JINTY67

    JINTY67 New commenter

    Hi could you please let me know which country you are working in , thanks

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