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How do I attract more tutors? no luck so far. Feedback would be great.

Discussion in 'Private tutors' started by teachgeorgie, Dec 29, 2011.

  1. Hi,
    Hope you can help. I have just started my own tutoring business teaching evenings and weekends and have more students than I can teach as I teach in school in the day. I have had to start a waiting list :)
    I have tried advertising for more tutors in my local paper to work as self-employed under my company name umbrella but many applicants were not qualified. I don't charge my clients very much as I think tutoring should be affordable and I think this contributed to the problem. Does anyone have any ideas how I could recruit qualified teachers in London for £12 - 15 per 45 minute lesson teaching KS maths and English. NQT's are fine.
    Are there any websites that you think could help?
    Is £15 for 45 minutes just too low for tutors?
    All constructive advice would be helpful. Before I start a discussion on the merits of tutoring children at that age many of my customers are parents home-schooling their children or children struggling with maths and english.

    Thanks
     
  2. That is far too little here in the North, so certainly it will be too little in London! I charge £25 per hour and I'm in exactly the same position as you with tutees. £18 for 45 minutes sounds more reasonable and is certainly not expensive for good quality tuition. I don't surmise that many professional teachers will give up their evenings and weekends for £12-15 per 45 mins. Good luck!
     
  3. PlymouthMaid

    PlymouthMaid Occasional commenter

    I also think that it is too low. Once you take off tax as well and allow for travel and prep time it really wouldn't be worth it.
     
  4. Anonymous

    Anonymous New commenter

    Once you get involved in recruiting teachers, you are into company area and I think you come across employment laws. Just a warning.
     
  5. I have to say, the opening post is completely ridiculous and shows the utter naivety of many teachers as to the value of their professional skills.

    There are tutors in London who charge £45 per hour for A level tutoring in shortage subjects such as maths and physics, and I know of a retired solicitor charging £50 per hour to help a friend's son with A leve law (what would he charge if it wasn't mates' rates?!!). Group tuition formats such as Kip Mcgrath typically charge £25 PER PUPIL to be one of a class of 5, for a 1 hour 20 minute lesson. That's a gross for the business of £125, subtract the cost of the teacher (typically £30-£33 per session) and premises rental, and the rest is profit.

    If entire businesses can make juicy profits charging parents £25 for their child to be taught in a class of 5, why would you charge LESS for traipsing all the way to the person's house, and providing an hour's INDIVIDUAL tuition?!!! IT MAKES NO SENSE!!! (and yes I know I am shouting, but I really do think that anyone who charges less than £30 for tuition in the client's home is stupid and needs to be shouted at!)

    Kip Mcgrath doesn't lower its fees for Key Stage 1 or 2 - these are incredibly high areas of demand and primary teaching is such a specialist skill that there is more pedagogical skill involved than at secondary, if we accept that subject knowledge and pedagogy can be complementary (i.e. the more subject knowledge is a premium the less important pedagogical skills, as the retired solicitor shows).

    Only a complete *** would, as a qualified teacher, go through the wind and rain for you to pay them £15 for an hour's tuition. Far better would be for them to set up their own website, advertise top-end rates £40+ per hour), list their qualifications and credentials, and make the comparison I have to alternatives there are, and what they cost. If parents can't see that £25 to be one of a group, where the parent does the fetching an carrying, is expensive compared to £40 where the tutor comes to your home and provides INDIVIDUAL tutoring, then they don't value your services enough, so let them go hang. No Kip Mcgrath centre will be lowering their rates to every person who walks through the door with a sob story, otherwise the word would get round and everyone would be putting it on. If I want a mechanic to fix my car, he will charge £60 per hour whether I like it or not; if I want a solicitor to send a threatening letter to someone who owes me money, she will charge me £200 whether I like it or not. Teachers are highly skilled professionals and should stop trying to make up for all the lousy parenting that lazy TV addicts inflict on their children. If you want to change the world, set it up as a social enterprise, go into the tough areas and provide tutoring at cost prices in church halls etc, join the Labour Party, perhaps in 20 years you'll be given an MBE for services to education for the disadvantaged. But don't try kidding us all that it is a business!

    Rant over
     
  6. No it doesn't.


    No they don't.



    Have you considered that how much you charge should reflect your skills and experience?

    As a private music teacher I first started charging £15 an hour as a student teacher. Now I charge around £50 an hr which reflects the experience and training I have forgone in 20 yrs. If my students charged the rates you are suggesting when they are opening their practices they would be ripping people off to be quite frank.
     
  7. hhhh

    hhhh Lead commenter

    The teaching unions apparently recommend no teacher works for less than £25 an hour (from a meeting I attended once). And most teachers get holiday and sick pay. So it does seem low...my friend in the NW who teaches Maths gets £60 ph.
     
  8. Ireton

    Ireton New commenter

    Hi,
    If you are in London it's too low. If you are trying to get tutors then most won't want to work for that fee when they have to drive/tube/bus across the town. Plus, you are entering emplyment laws and tax etc etc. Most of my colleagues who tutor charge between £35 - 50 per hour - the higher end for top notch tuition or for wealthy clients! I would look to charging £35+ as, if you are seting up a compmnay then surely you are taking some profit.
    Also, there are many such firms in London catering to the market you may it hard to get on that ladder, but good luck.
     
  9. DaisysLot

    DaisysLot Senior commenter

    £20-25 per hour is a reasonable rate, but upwards can be commanded as reasonable for advanced level courses or specific skill related teaching. Remember that tax should be paid on this income and that shortly teachers will come under scrutiny from HMRC as have other professions offering 'moonlight' cash in hand work.
     
  10. In my opinion, though, £15 is waaaay too low for London. Most people struggle to live here as it is, and if someone is having to do tutoring to supplement their income, I suspect £15 wouldn't be massively attractive to them! Especially as a couple of trips on the tube/time spent travelling would just about cancel that out.
    Have you posted on the NQT forum on here at all? You might get some interest there? If you were keen to keep your prices low - what about student teachers looking for experience? I think, as someone posted above, people are prepared to pay for experience - be that £15 for someone training or £50 for 25 years experience!
    Not that this bit answers your question at all, but just as an extra comment: I work in in Alternative Provision in a large London Borough Council and we buy in private tutoring for some of our pupils (KS4 only). We often get asked about home tutors for younger siblings and we always recommend parents go through reputable agencies who interview their tutors and run CRB checks on them (rather than looking online at businesses listing self-employed tutors) We only use agencies which do that too. We therefore pay much higher prices for tutors because we can't afford to take any risks. I know this doesn't help you find teachers, but if you were to go down this route, you could maybe approach Alternative Provision teams for business (who will pay more!) Having said all that, it doesn't sound like you need any more students!
     
  11. Obviously you have never run any type of company. Anybody knows that tutoring agencies work with "freelance" tutors. If you know anything about anything, you would know that freelance tutors work for themselves and you are not employing them. So, there is no need of any employment laws as you are not employing them, you are simply buying a service. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    £12 seems awfully low for anybody taking into account traveling time. If you need to travel 30 minutes then you are working almost 2 hours for £12. Tutoring rates go between £15-£25 wherever you are in the UK. However, I suspect that in London they are on the cheaper side because of competition. It doesn't matter how "expensive" London is, there are lots of people out there offering tuition so they rates will probably be lower than one may ask, say, in Somerset, where there are lots of wealthy families and it's mainly a rural area so there are less teachers.--------------------------------------
    Somebody said that you can ask more money for more experience, well, that just shows utter ignorance of the world. Everything has a ceiling, and prices for private classes do as well. I can't really believe that anybody in their right mind would pay £50 for one hour lesson of anything, unless it is rocket science, certainly not for an A level class on Law of all things, something that you can probably get by just by learning the books...-------------------------------------------------------
    To be honest I don't think you will get many qualified teachers for private lessons. Most qualified teachers will be working in schools, which means that they have a cozy salary to fall back on and they don't need the extra work. Those who aren't probably need to be working on other full time jobs and if they need private tuition they can easily find it themselves rather than having to go through a third party. So, maybe your best bet is tutors who don't hold QTS. Anyway, QTS only means that you can work in schools in the UK, not that you are a good teacher. I am sure there are lots of graduates out there who are great tutors but don't have QTS.
     
  12. I would say you need to be careful if using unqualified tutors. As you suggest they will be working under your business name, it will be your reputation that will be damaged by poorly performing tutors. Whilst I appreciate that QTS (or QTLS) does not guarantee quality of delivery, it does demonstrate that the individual has undergone training and has achieved minimum standards.
    We only use qualified, subject specialist teachers who can demonstrate an approach which is consistent with our active learning ideology.
    The laws of supply and demand are such that if you are inundated and need to hold a waiting list, then your fees will take a small uplift. This in turn means that you could provide a better hourly rate for your tutors.
    Hope this is helps
     
  13. Wow! £15 for a qualified teacher in London? All the tutors I know charge at least £45, many much more. Have you seen the reports of 'Supertutors' who get £150 - £400 an hour?


     
  14. Whoever said that no one would pay more for experience, and that no one would pay £ 50 an hour, was actually exposing their own utter ignorance. I know tutors who charge £150 an hour, and are deemed well worth it. If you get a child an A when he would have got a C without you, or if you get a student in to a good Uni when he could not have done this without you, what is that worth?
     
  15. stupot101

    stupot101 Established commenter

    I have PM'd you...
     
  16. I agree with Krisdani. My tuition centre wouldn't be able to attract qualified, experienced teachers on such a low rate. Think about what you are offering your tutors as well- will they have to prepare the lessons themselves? If not, you may well pay them slightly less but still not as low as £15 per hour. Good luck!
     
  17. Informant

    Informant New commenter

    Potential source of support tutors would be undergraduates from nearest universities. Students will welcome extra cash and opportunity to put something interesting and enterprising on their future job applications. You might need to reassure them by offering advice/training and/or the opportunity to observe one or more of your sessions.
    Contractual arrangements and CRB checks are something else, but there's a potential source of willing talent for you.
     
  18. I found www.LessonPark.com excellent and registration is free. I have found lots of referrals through the site. In my experience an hour of tutoring should be around 20 GBP so your number sounds good.
     
  19. Ur message is very old now does it still apply? Thanks I'm qualified with a three year BA teaching degree who needs more people to tutor
     

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