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How can we respond to the Black Lives Matter movement?

Discussion in 'Education news' started by mrjhchi, Jun 3, 2020.

  1. Morninglover

    Morninglover Star commenter

    If you have to ask this question, you are part of the problem.
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  2. alex_teccy

    alex_teccy Lead commenter

    How can I be part of the problem when you don’t even know what the problem is?
  3. alex_teccy

    alex_teccy Lead commenter

    “You’re either with us or against us”
    “If your not part of the soloution your part of the problem”

    These are the arguments of the asinine.
    border_walker and drvs like this.
  4. alex_teccy

    alex_teccy Lead commenter

    what an asinine thing to say.
    You can’t to define the problem
    You can’t provide a workable hypothesis
    You can’t suggest soloutions
    You can’t engage with opinions you don’t like

    You’re very good, however, at screaming slogans and othering.
  5. alex_teccy

    alex_teccy Lead commenter

    Let me guess, this is the part where you go all quiet.

    Remember, the report button is your friend.
  6. Morninglover

    Morninglover Star commenter

    Screaming is LIKE THIS. So, no, not much (or any) screaming.

    Your post 19 shows your inability (and that's the kindest interpretation - that you just don't get it) to understand the problem. I'm not your teacher (I didn't specialise in SEN). I'm not going to waste more time trying to explain it to you.

    But I will continue to point out your nonsense, and criticise your points of view. Don't like it? Well, the remedy is also in your hands:

  7. alex_teccy

    alex_teccy Lead commenter

    Making cheap shots at the expenses of SEN kids isn’t “criticism” it’s flaming.

    Anyhoo. You posted this image of a politically-exploited African-American child 436DE902-7B91-45DA-915C-4402850E715E.jpeg

    What’s the relevance to U.K. schools?

    How are black lives in danger in the U.K.?
  8. Marisha

    Marisha Occasional commenter

    An example from Fife.

    Someone phoned the police and reported that a black man was brandishing a knife. There were initially suggestions that the police thought that this was some kind of terrorist attack. He was arrested. No knife was found. The man died of asphyxiation.

    It has been reported that the man was intoxicated. There are umpteen cases where intoxicated white males have been arrested in Fife and have made it to trial without being asphyxiated.

    I've seen reports from other parts of the UK of black people being arrested and handled roughly for quite baffling reasons. Google. They're not hard to find.
  9. alex_teccy

    alex_teccy Lead commenter

    He wasn’t just “intoxicated” and the circumstances of the incident are substantially more exceptional than you described.

    “Mr Bayoh, a 31-year-old father-of-two, died after being restrained by police officers using batons and incapacitant spray while responding to a call about a man with a knife.
    Traces of alpha-PVP – an illegal substance also known as “flakka” which has been linked to bizarre behaviour – was found in his body after he died.

    A Fatal Accident Inquiry or public inquiry is expected to be held if the Crown Office decides against criminal prosecutions.

    In her sworn statement, which has not been tested by cross-examination, Ms Short, who has been on sick leave since the incident, said: “Mr Bayoh appeared to be on a mission from the manner in which he was walking. He appeared out of control and dangerous and given the reports of him chasing people with a knife as well as his demeanour and the way he didn’t react to the sprays, I felt that he could not be permitted to leave.

    “I was terrified that he was going to kill a member of the public if he was allowed to leave the street, which is what he was trying to do.”

    Ms Short said she did not see a knife, but believed Mr Bayoh had one on his person. She described him as being “like a zombie”. She said she felt “an enormous blow” to the back of the head and landed on the ground.

    “I did not feel him hitting me again and I’m not sure that I was conscious, but I was later told that he stamped on me at least three times,” she said.”
  10. alex_teccy

    alex_teccy Lead commenter

    I read up on it.
    It proves that individuals who are smashed out if their headson drugs, and require nine police officers to subdue, are more at risk from dying in custody.

    It hadn’t realised that it meant police are roaming our country looking for black people to murder.

    But thanks for putting us right.
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  11. Marisha

    Marisha Occasional commenter

    If you read all the available information, you will know that the investigation has been reopened. You will also know that CCTV of the incident has been found which shows that things were not quite as they were portrayed by the police. Specifically, it contradicts the stamping narrative.

    Other witness statements have also contradicted the police version of events.

    You're welcome.
  12. alex_teccy

    alex_teccy Lead commenter

    Still nothing to prove that Black Citizens in the U.K. are “in danger”, which was the original claim.

    It might prove that if an individual is smashed out of his head on class A drugs and then requires several officers for restraint, that individual has a higher risk of dying in custody.

    A racial motivation has not been established, so we will have to wait for the next investigation.
    In fact the motivations of the police are perfectly clear. They feared a terrorist attack. Given that we’ve just experienced another one, it’s not reasonable to doubt them.

    But don’t let that stop you from leaping to conclusions about racism.

    Feel free to post some “available information” next time.
    Last edited: Jun 25, 2020
  13. drvs

    drvs Star commenter

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  14. alex_teccy

    alex_teccy Lead commenter

    Blair’s children.

  15. Marisha

    Marisha Occasional commenter

    I shall: thank you for your gracious permission.

    They feared a terrorist attack in Kirkcaldy? Righto. I wonder why none of the white Fifers who have resisted arrest while 'off their head' on drugs have been asphyxiated in the process? I wonder why the only person suspected of being a terrorist was black?

    One of the officers said in her statement: "[as we approached] I was also thinking at that point of the Lee Rigby incident in London, mainly due to the fact of the coloured [sic] male and the potential terrorist connotations."

    So being black has "potential terrorist connotations"?

    Initial reports pushed the narrative that the deceased was a huge man out of control - the 'biggest man' the officers had ever seen. In actual fact, the deceased was 5ft 10. Two of the police officers were 6ft 4.

    In the meantime, family members of one of the officers have come forward to testify that he has a history of violence and racism. A second autopsy has confirmed that Bayoh had 23 injuries and that he died of asphyxiation.

    Yes, we can await the final investigation.
  16. alex_teccy

    alex_teccy Lead commenter

    According to the charity Inquest, there were 276 deaths during or following police contact in the financial year 2018/2019.

    Of these deaths 16 were in or following police custody, three were police shootings, 42 related to road traffic incidents, 63 were apparent suicides following custody and there were 152 deaths following police contact defined as other.

    Of the 16 deaths in or following police custody, 15 people were white and one person was black.

    In addition, 10 of these people were identified to have mental health concerns and 13 were known to have a link to alcohol and/or drugs.

    Six of the 16 people who died in or following police custody had force used against them either by officers or members of the public before their deaths.

    Of the 152 other police contact deaths, seven were under the age of 18 and eight had force used against them, of which two were black and two were ‘mixed heritage’.

    In total, 90 of these 152 people were reported to be intoxicated by drugs and/or alcohol at the time of the incident or had known issues in this area and 104 were reported to suffer from mental health concerns.​

    https://www.inquest.org.uk/iopc-stats-2019 (via the Express)

    Of the 152 classified as "other" 90 were intoxicated at the time of the incident, so perhaps not quite as exceptional as you have been presenting. And how you extrapolated that Black people are "in danger" from these numbers or that the case of Sheku Beyou was the rule and not the exception, I don't know.

    Black men and young men are definitely more in danger, however from crime. In London young black men make up a disproportionately high number of both victims and perpetrators of murder, including an 18 year old boy who was killed at the end of my road, when I last lived in London a few years ago.


    This is the danger that should be in the forefront of our minds, no?
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  17. Mr_Ed

    Mr_Ed Established commenter

    There is plenty of 'black representation' in the continent of Africa, in all walks of life and what a wonderful collection of countries that continent is: powering the global economy and enriching the whole of humanity with their art & culture....
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  18. install

    install Star commenter

    Fascinating reply

    In actual fact, It may take a while in all areas and following the history of colonialism for example, and even in places the scars of Apartheid.

    But why did your post deny the existence of the historical scars - and even the existence of other continents I wonder? Denial is part of the problem imho :cool:
  19. SparkMaths

    SparkMaths Occasional commenter

    For bias, I would be focusing on predicted grades. I have very rarely as a teacher been given the opportunity to influence set moves because setting is based on predicted grades from KS2 which doesn't change, students usually need spectacular test results to move. Setting is really important in Maths for example, as lower sets are not taught higher content.

    I believe that predicted grades are done by the Fischer Family Trust, or at least they were when I was training 10 years ago. I also think that those grades are based not only on KS2 results, but on economic factors such as where students live? Correct me if I am wrong. That would be a big source of bias if students from poor areas are given lower predicted grades, therefore end up in a lower set which could be more disruptive or cover less content, causing lower grades. At my last school the poor area was mostly white and I personally grew up in a poor white area, so I can see that effecting everyone, however I think nationally BAME groups tend to be on the poorer side on average so it would effect them disproportionately.

    "Whiteness" and "White Privilege" are fundamentally racist concepts in both directions. How exactly are all white people acting the same way and how are BAME people acting differently? Try and put the theory into practice with some examples and you'll see how wrong it is. The only thing I can come up with is religious practices, which isn't race based, and cultural differences with music/food which also applies to European cultures. Someone explain this to me!

    I have been reflecting a lot about these issues and I think that the divisive way activists are going about it will do more harm than good. If you group white people together into one amorphous "privileged" blob, then they may just believe you and then you get the white working class voting Tory. What we actually need to do is bring people together on tackling the root cause of most of these issues, which I believe is how wealthy and well connected your family is, that effects everyone so you can build a larger coalition for change.
    Last edited: Jun 29, 2020 at 11:59 AM
  20. phlogiston

    phlogiston Star commenter

    I am slightly out of date with FFT predictions, but there was no socio-economic stuff a few years ago.

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