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how any mp can get into the news ...

Discussion in 'Personal' started by afterdark, Aug 18, 2019.

  1. afterdark

    afterdark Lead commenter


    MAGAorMIGA Star commenter

    I don't think Corbyn's the best leader ever. I appreciate that he's not the best at appealing to a lot of demographics. he's **** with soundbites; not good at speaking straight to camera. Better in real situations with real people. I appreciate that he's not got a great deal of, what would you call it, zing. I don't agree with him on everything by any means.

    Still, you know something I know? If Labour lose the election, Jeremy Corbyn will probably go back to being a local MP. He'll carry on holding speakers up for people at meetings, and helping people with their chairs, and thanking people for making the sandwiches. He'll carry on having talks and doing constituency surgeries and attending debates and asking questions and campaigning on various issues and staying behind to carry on talking about stuff with ordinary people after the event's finished. If he weren't the leader now, he'd be campaigning on behalf of the party. He'd be standing at the back helping.

    He's not going to swan off to a career of after-dinner speaking and corporate events and non-executive directorships and consultancies. He's not going to edit the Evening Standard. It's not his personal ambition that's brought him here.

    he wasn't ever that keen on being a leader. The only reason he stood when he did was that, to paraphrase another Labour front-bencher, every other remaining left-wing MP in the party had already stood as the token socialist candidate in a previous leadership election, and it was basically his turn.

    And here's the thing: his apparent lack of charisma notwithstanding (and what is this charisma that apparently Jo Swinson and Boris Johnson possess? It's like nothing I've ever seen described using that term before), he's the exact opposite of what everyone seems to agree they're sick of in politicians. The meaningless soundbites and stock phrases and glib dog-whistle oversimplifications don't sit naturally with him. He's better at sitting down calmly and talking about things like a grown-up. He's visibly irritated when interviewers push him to answer stupid, meaningless or leading questions, and, to me, that irritation seems remarkably restrained considering that I'd probably be unable to put up with such ******** without flying into an expletive-laden rant. He reminds me of a Scandinavian politician, and that's nothing but a compliment. Politicians aren't supposed to be evangelists or salespeople; they're supposed to be people of substance, not just a mass of superficially appealing tics, right? Right?

    In short, he's a real human person, like you get in real life, not whatever kind of thing most politicians are where you just cannot imagine them existing in any normal situation alongside real people without getting punched in the face. I've seen people like him, working in various capacities, usually doing something socially responsible, sometimes voluntary. They help. They support. They sympathise. They don't usually get to the top of organisations because they're not naturally competitive. And here he is, in a position he probably never expected to be in, and his expression is, for me, the right one: he's grim; a touch uncertain; perhaps somewhat daunted. Quite right too. Anyone who's not daunted by the prospect of being Prime Minister shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the job. I want whoever leads the country to feel the responsibility as keenly as possible. The Prime Minister is the servant of millions of masters, not the master of millions of servants, as Boris Johnson seems to think he is. It's a horrible job, but if nobody else is going to do it, he'll have to. Because someone's got to. You can't just stand there and do nothing. You have to try to help; to do what you can. That's what he's like. And if the election's lost as the last two were, he'll go back to helping in whatever other ways are available. And if he loses his seat (which he won't), he'll go and try to help somewhere else.

    The fact that this man is considered unelectable when the alternatives are as they are is itself an indictment of our society.

    MAGAorMIGA Star commenter

    And yet, when I look on Twitter, all I see is an absolute avalanche of terrible accusations - "terrorist sympathiser" (or even "terrorist enabler" or "terrorist"); anti-Semite, racist etc etc. The tweets go on, and on, and on. The gifs and memes, which generally seem to originate from the Far Right, spewing the violent thoughts and images, and in the latest threads I've seen actual calls to assassinate Corbyn if he becomes caretaker Prime Minister. Once you could dismiss these people as fringe, eccentric cranks. But there's so many of them I fear for his safety, as well as the sanity of those posting these threats, many of whom seem to be ex-soldiers etc.
  4. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Star commenter

    More an indictment of the Labour party.
    theselofane, nomad and lanokia like this.
  5. oldsomeman

    oldsomeman Star commenter

    For once I can almost fully agree with your comments here and really you have assessed the individual to the point. Thank you for an honest appraisal of Corbyn and the reality of his life. Many of those points are salient and why I will not vote for him. As a man, he has those charateristics, but still seems to have no inherent personality which makes him stand out amongst his political peers.
    When he first became the leader of the Labour I think I described his as a pub lawyer, The man who knows all the ins and outs, is able to give advice but is never noticed in the crowd because the never got fame for his actions. I honestly think he never wanted the job, but it was thrust upon him but his lacklustre in politics is one cause of his present problems.
    If I met him on the allotment I am sure over coffee or the cabbages we might have many an amicable conversation but I might still not vote for him to be chair of the committee, as his knowledge is too great or his views too radical to be accepted by all. I have met such a person when chairing and running committees and although useful in supplying information that same person brings up every blooming problem and the committee never ends up making a decision.
    Anyway, thank you for this view.
  6. oldsomeman

    oldsomeman Star commenter

    Any person who stands for power never pleases all. Look at all the things being slung at Johnson.
    Its par for the course, but one's actions should be to act against such accusations and prove' them incorrect which, in honesty, he doesnt try as maybe he feels he does not need to.
  7. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Devil and the Deep Blue Sea.
  8. oldsomeman

    oldsomeman Star commenter

    Depend a on what terrors lurk in the deep blue sea :D
  9. monicabilongame

    monicabilongame Star commenter

    Absolutely - and some of those who are vitriolic about Corbyn are on here too. Mention the name (or even just talk about politics) and some people immediately go into a rant about Corbyn, whether he was mentioned in the first place or not.
    MAGAorMIGA and ilovesooty like this.
  10. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Star commenter

  11. monicabilongame

    monicabilongame Star commenter

    Perhaps I should have put the "or even just talk about politics" bit not in brackets? My point was that some people managed to pull Corbyn's name into a thread to slur him even when it's not about him in the first place.
    ilovesooty likes this.
  12. nomad

    nomad Star commenter

    I don't subscribe to Twitter. Never have. It seems to have been adopted as a political tool by both professional politicians and by extremists of both the Far Left and Far Right. From what I have seen, Twitter is awash with an avalanche of accusations directed against politicians of all political leanings. Corbyn is by no means the only politician to find himself in the Twitter/facebook spotlight.

    TES posters are vitriolic about politicians on these boards too. Not just about Corbyn but others including Johnson, May, Gove, etc., etc., have all had their fair share of vitriol.

    For example, recently a poster suggested that Gove was both drunk and incapable in the House of Commons on the basis of a few seconds of video ...
    Another poster implied that Gove had been snorting cocaine or some other drug.
    A couple of years ago I got very annoyed by the absolute avalanche of gifs and memes, which generally seemed to originate from the Far Left, spewing the violent thoughts and images, including one which was related to the future of the NHS and hoped that Theresa May would get cancer.
    My real blast was regarding an absolutely scurrilous meme which the TES Mods had the good sense to remove.
    I have no issue at all with considered discussion and this could include discussion on whether Johnson is telling the truth or not, whether Blair ever told the truth at all, whether Corbyn ignores anti-semitism in the labour party, whether Johnson ignores Ismaophobia on the Tory Party, since these matters are in the national media.

    Personally I see nothing wrong with questioning whether Corbyn chose to sit on the floor of a train rather than a seat in order to make a point, or whether he was right to lay a wreath at the grave of a terrorist.

    It does seem to me, though, that there are many on these boards who object to any criticism of Corbyn whatsoever but are quite happy to direct their own criticism to other politicians.
    Last edited: Oct 1, 2019

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