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Hourly paid support colleagues? Your thoughts

Discussion in 'Headteachers' started by thejudgesscoresarein, Sep 15, 2019.

  1. thejudgesscoresarein

    thejudgesscoresarein Occasional commenter

    As part of a further cost-cutting exercise, the governors have suggested to implement ‘hourly pay’ for all support and part time colleagues who join the school- this wouldn’t necessarily effect the colleagues currently employed- but any new recruits. Has anyone implemented this at their school and has it worked?
    A prime example, we employ a teaching assistant who works 4 days a week (around 30 hours per week) and is paid £19,000 per year- which equates to £13.19 per hour. If we set a standard hourly rate based on level for all particular colleagues (£11.25)- based on a 30 hour working week- this would equate to just over £16,000- although a significant pay drop, it’s a saving for the school, and we’re not paying a ‘full time salary’.
    Teaching colleagues and senior leadership team would still be salaried.
  2. harsh-but-fair

    harsh-but-fair Star commenter

    Well, fancy that!
  3. thejudgesscoresarein

    thejudgesscoresarein Occasional commenter

    Well based on a working week of 40 hours, I’d be on £39.35 an hour!
  4. Sundaytrekker

    Sundaytrekker Star commenter

    Teaching assistants in our local authority have always been paid term time plus statutory holiday which equates to about 44 weeks pay per year. About ten years ago there were some nursery staff who had to move down from 52 weeks pay. Your situation needs some serious HR advice to ensure fairness but they sound as though they are paid more than most teaching assistants in schools.
    sunshineneeded likes this.
  5. Corvuscorax

    Corvuscorax Star commenter

    The problem with this is that it always significantly increases teacher work load, as the support staff are then asked to do less. This is very unfair.
  6. install

    install Star commenter

    Isn't this a potential discrimination case? If I joined your school and discovered that a colleague doing the exactly the same job was paid considerably more, I would be a little bit miffed.

    Isn't it better to stick to the same pay bracket for all Support staff but to look at the roles. Maybe take on less Support Staff at the established pay but with clarity about the bigger role for all.
    digoryvenn likes this.
  7. phatsals

    phatsals Established commenter

    You want to pay 15% less for the same job? Sorry but that completely stinks.
  8. cornflake

    cornflake Senior commenter

    Have you misunderstood how support staff are usually paid?

    Say they are employed for 16 hours a week, and the full time hours were 32, then they would get 0.5 of the annual salary if they were employed on a 52 week contract. (You might find the calculation is done on a 37.5 hour week, or a 32.5 hour... you'd have to check with HR or Payroll Admin).
    Almost all support staff I know of are employed on a term time only basis, plus a proportion of INSET days... and then they have a holiday entitlement too. In our authority, this equates to a "Factor", which is used to calculate the pro-rata amount... eg factor 45 = 38 weeks term time only + 6 weeks holiday.
    factor 44.4 = term time + 2 INSET days + 5 weeks holiday (less service = less holiday entitlement).
    Whatever amount the annual salary is, is then paid monthly.
    They are salaried - but paid according to the hours they work.

    Of course, in your MAT it may be different (or LA or whatever).

    Teachers, on the other hand, have FTE calculated differently (as a proportion of the school's timetabled working week) and do not have an "hourly rate" equivalent because of the way this, and directed time, work.
  9. thejudgesscoresarein

    thejudgesscoresarein Occasional commenter

    It is something that the governing body mentioned- it would just apply for part time colleagues (so that salary is pro-rated) instead of part time colleagues receiving the salary of a full time member of staff- which is unfair.
  10. cornflake

    cornflake Senior commenter

    So, are you saying that currently staff get paid equally, regardless of how many hours they work??
    That can't be true!
  11. phatsals

    phatsals Established commenter

    I'm a bit puzzled by this, are you saying you are currently paying your TA for 7.5 hours a day? (30/4)

    This would seem highly unusual, do they work from say 9am to 4.30pm without a break? In my school TAs are paid for hours they work, ie 9-12.30, 3.5hours, then 1-3.15 (2.25hrs) 5.75 hours total. x4 would be 23 hours a week.

    Many of our TAs work fewer hours, depending on the needs of the child they support, absolutely none are paid for 7.5hours a day. It all changed with Single Status and changed again when working hours became increasingly tied to the needs of specific children.

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