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Hourly paid lecturer - core subject with functional skills

Discussion in 'Further Education' started by waterlillies, Oct 16, 2017.

  1. waterlillies

    waterlillies New commenter

    Hi,

    A bit of an advice please. A FE college wants me to come for an interview this week and start next week (if I'm successful).

    The college is a bit far from where I live (50' drive) and they pay £20/hour. This is part time job so only 3 hours per day.

    The problem is I'm hoping to get shortlisted for two interviews next week (full time post in secondary schools). They will shortlist on 19th so a few more days.

    Should I still go for the interview in this FE college? It does look like they recruit all the times - a sign of not a good place for me! The pay already includes holiday, etc. - is that normal pay or low pay taking into account no pension, holidays, sickness etc.?
     
  2. gogogulliver

    gogogulliver New commenter

    Hi

    I did unqualified (had PTLLS) teaching when I started in FE and the pay was around £23/hour as they factored in holidays and planning time with it.

    I find that the rate of turnover doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad place. Sometimes it's actually poor recruitment. I, as a qualified teacher, took over from less experienced staff who basically left the group in a shambles and were let go.

    Different people enjoy working in different environments. I personally have found the environments in schools I've worked in stifling for myself and for the students but have stayed in the same FE college for four years.

    My immediate thoughts would be that the distance would become too annoying too quickly. Longer commutes wear you down after a while.
     
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  3. waterlillies

    waterlillies New commenter

    Thank you so much for the insight.

    I thought the pay is quite low as I do private tutoring and charge £20 at home or £25-£30 if I have to travel. But I need a job too as I only have 5 tutees at the moment.

    I might just go for the interview as it will be a good experience for me! From what I can see the FS students will be extremely low ability. I don't mind that, I just hate managing behaviour because I left my previous school (i was a nqt) as kids were tough and staff was unsupportive there.

    Do you have a prospect of being full time permanent in a college if you do well or mainly it is hourly paid?
     
  4. gogogulliver

    gogogulliver New commenter

    I was on a full time permanent contract but am now on 0.8 because I'm a lush. I started off hourly, but applied for a full time permanent position and did that for two years.

    FS students often had quite a negative experience at school and come out disheartened. A lot of it is picking up their confidence, but the FS courses are very much "get you ready for GCSE" in a way. I think they're very good. I've had people's faces light up when I say "can you write like this in the exam, please?", which is always nice. Lots of people have the right ideas but missed the basics and were running to keep up the whole time at school (which is exhausting so no wonder they hated it), so a different pace and more short-term goals (L1 this year, L2 next and then GCSE if you want to stay on when you feel more confident) can work really well for some people..

    A student who I first met doing entry 3 FS a few years ago was offered several unconditional offers to universities last year. He worked up the FS levels and then retook the GCSE older and wiser.

    I really do like it. Don't think of them as being low ability, think of them as not having had the right environment to learn in. And then tell them that having a fag is not a good enough excuse for turning up 45 minutes late.

    Good luck with the interview!
     
  5. waterlillies

    waterlillies New commenter

    Hi,

    Thank you so so much - really useful info!

    I got the job starting next week - half Gcse which I am familiar with, the FS - I have no clue but I'm sure I will soon get used to the materials.

    I hope I will like it and get a permanent role - the pay is definitely low but it's better than just doing supply day by day not belonging to anywhere.

    Hope you have a nice weekend and thanks again!
     
  6. gogogulliver

    gogogulliver New commenter

    Well done!
     
  7. AngelEd22

    AngelEd22 New commenter

    £20 an hour is about average pay for a sessional tutor.
     
  8. saluki

    saluki Lead commenter

    Unless you are an experienced teacher when 33 pounds an hour is nearer the norm.
     
  9. waterlillies

    waterlillies New commenter

    Hi everyone,

    Just wanted a word of wisdom please.

    My college is cutting hours (apparently the head over spent so much).

    Now I have 9 hours over 3 days.. travelling 20 miles each way.. being paid £20/hour. Is that really worth it? (Like £50/day and expected to plan/mark/observed etc.)

    I like it here (kids are challenging though) but I can earn £100/day supply in school and not have to travel this far.

    Any thoughts?

    Thanks
     
  10. thekizzaa

    thekizzaa New commenter

    I mean, sounds like you made up your mind. If someone offered me £150 a week for the amount of driving a work, I'd probably feel like laughing in their face (or crying).

    Depends on what you feel like though. If you're a) desperate for the money, b) want the social aspect of working, or c) 16 years old (or a combination of the above).

    Sounds like a dumb question to me. But there's no such thing as stupid questions, apparently.
     
  11. waterlillies

    waterlillies New commenter

    Thank you! I know it’s ridiculous - I can earn much more on supply - it’s just I like the routine instead of going different places.

    It was alright with 15 hours before as I tutor privately as well but 9 hours is a joke.
     
  12. saluki

    saluki Lead commenter

    For me, FE was more enjoyable than supply in schools. I liked the relaxed atmosphere. When I started in FE the behavior was better than in schools. By the time I left it was worse.
    I was not desperate for money and enjoyed the social aspect. I travelled to many sites belonging to the same college and loved the travelling. I was paid some travelling expenses if it was beyond what was expected of me.
    However, I was on much more than 20 pounds an hour. That is very low. You need to check the FE pay scales to see why you are so lowly paid and if you are due a pay increase. I would stick it out until the end of the academic year and keep my eyes open for other positions. If something suitable comes up before then just kiss them goodbye. If you don't find anything, it is highly probable that the college will ask you to return as an hourly paid lecturer next year on more/less hours.
     
  13. waterlillies

    waterlillies New commenter

    Hi Saluki, thank you.

    I do like it here as you said very relaxing - even the behavior can be bad, my classes are getting better as I have built rapport with them and worked hard for them. I feel guilty too if I leave now but I don't like the way they're treating me - they are merging classes and reduce my hours because of the head overspent too much. I spent so much on petrol travelling and £20/hour is really low- but I'm nqt +1 so I'm not very experienced, I actually earn more per hour tutoring.

    If I leave now will it be difficult if I want to come back next year when they have more hours?
     
  14. saluki

    saluki Lead commenter

    I think if you leave, you leave. If you stay, you stay. I don't think that you can leave, change your mind, and then return.
    There is no guarantee of hours. It depends on enrolment figures and they won't be finalized until next September. Plus, as an hourly paid lecturer, I am assuming that you will not be paid for the Summer. However, you should have an element of holiday pay factored into your hourly pay and this does not seem to be the case. Do you teach a vocational subject? Vocational teachers are sometimes paid less than teachers of academic subjects.
    Just keep you eyes open for better opportunities. Have a word with your line manager and ask what the prospects are for next year. They probably will not be able to commit at this stage but you may be able to see how the land is lying. Let them know that you need to plan for next year. That is normal. One big mistake that I made was being too amenable, too flexible and too helpful. I was taken for a mug.
     
  15. waterlillies

    waterlillies New commenter

    Hi Saluki. I understand so that’s why I haven’t made up my mind yet.
    I teach Maths and supply agencies did ask me to go to different schools for 3, 4 weeks etc. but I turned them down to stay here.
    The last week, I have been doing supply for 2 days per week (demand is huge) and work at this college 3 days per week (9 hours). £20 is already with holiday pay - it’s so low and they said that’s all they can pay. My manager is nice but she doesn’t have much power and she is temp too, someone else above is telling her what to do.
    I’m trying to get a job for September, I did hope to get into FE to stay as I hated schools but maybe there is no real prospect in FE with all the funding cut.
    Thanks anyway.
     

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