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Holyrood Prog...

Discussion in 'Scotland - education news' started by segbog, Mar 12, 2012.

  1. These folk seem to live their life through their work...strikes me as kind of sad really. Or are they just playing to the cameras?
     
  2. These folk seem to live their life through their work...strikes me as kind of sad really. Or are they just playing to the cameras?
     
  3. What you do defines you. If you enjoy doing your job, then it's no less sad than working 9 to 5 and going to Zumba in the evening.
    Everyone's different. They're probably happy. I wouldn't worry about them.
     
  4. Guess the teachers that appear on this are the ones that are despo for promotion as well. I know I wouldn't, but then I don't want to climb the greasy poll.
     
  5. Why is it such a stigma to want to do well in your career?
     
  6. GuessWho

    GuessWho Occasional commenter

    I think it can be seen by some as a stigma because over the years it becomes very easy to spot someone who is not really that interested in their current post but just see it as stepping stone to the next level.
    Frequently such individuals set up new and amazing initiatives and then move on ....leaving the rest to pick up the pieces.
    There are, of course, exceptions however, more and more I see folk with their eye on promotion and not on their current job.
     
  7. I thought that the teachers shown were caring and compassionate. I'd imagine that many parents will have found the programme reassuring.
     
  8. I see the OP's point in that talking-the-talkism ruled the roost in what we saw. Hypocrisy was everywhere too. "Liam should not be singled out due to his aspergers" but the TV crew realise his rants and idiosyncracies are TV gold and single him out for pursuit.
    The dynastic blonde teacher had the Kenny-Dalgleish-alike Head wrapped around her finger and has apparently been well schooled in how to scale the career ladder deftly. She certainly seemed amiable enough - but is a lilting-of-head, young Esther Rantzen what we need? Aren't the dizzying heights of post-McCrone graduates-in-promoted-posts rife with these and used-car-salesman types?
    My non-teaching pal noticed that everything was lofty promises, talk, talk and more talk. "I'll enjoy seeing her linguistic behavoiural therapy in action then" he quipped when depute head "Bernadette" said she'd help with the new Romanian boy's settling in but then- ah - no, it was old faithful, a monitoring card - something labelling, singling out and adding to his increasing pressure in a new place.
    What was starkly on display was the wistful, "salad days" inertia of the SMT and pastoral staff whose most productive duties seemed little more than those of a Brown Owl at a Girl Guides hut. My pal was taken aback by this "These folks wouldn't survive at ground level in a chippie!" he said, in reference to the private sector. cynical or realistic? I don't know.
    Looking at it cynically, it makes the case for the "front of house" staff approach of SMT, Guidance and the rest to be severely overhauled, for Guidance staff to be paid a classroom teacher salary, trimming of SMT and possibly Faculty Heads being given the old life or death reward and punishment powers of even a Heidy.
    If your eyes looked at 'The High School' the right way or standing well back, it wasn't the Robin Williams movie it thought it was.

     
  9. I knew I could rely on someone to start this thread! I am still laughing at the staged performance of the busy depute and aspiring depute. I try not to be cynical but can't help myself. I commented all the way through the watching it and started to sound like my hubby when medical emergency or helicopter heroes is on - seems whatever your profession there are the same characters! Am just trying to keep it real - and don't have to try too hard in my wonderful establishment!
     
  10. morrisseyritual

    morrisseyritual Occasional commenter

    The programme just demonstrated the stark "Us and Them" gulf between the class teacher - nary of whom were to be seen - and the SMT/Pastoral Care or Guidance staff.
    Surely some parents/non-teachers would be less than reassured that it apparently took whether or not the heidy fancied you/ was pally with you to land a promoted post at more than a fifth pay increase.
    As Harryhausen said, it really should start a debate about the true "quality" of school management and leadership. Nothing short of favouritism and nepotism was on display last night - and from the deputy head dealing with a newcomer to the school, nothing but plaintive cliches and nary a whiff of concrete procedure. It was also starkly obvious that the teachers dealing directly with "Liam" were going by intuition and speywife logic. No understanding of Asperger's at any real level was demonstrated.
    Cosy, yes. Nice, perhaps. We didn't see the toiling chalkfacers the smooth-talkers ride to high salaries on and I hope that spoke volumes about the topsy turvy structure of the profession and why it indeed needs fixed.
     
  11. That would explain Learning and Teaching Scotland (LTS) and CfE then!
     
  12. vforvendetta

    vforvendetta New commenter

    Couldn't agree more Harryhausen.
    All we saw were SMT, 'popular pupils', and the drama department. They were the only ones willing to be filmed. All the real teachers were unwilling to participate as they were too busy teaching with far too little time on their hands than the self congratulatory SMT. Did we actually see any teaching going on? Maybe we'll see a few of the bam pot pupil ruining lessons in the next episode.
     
  13. Aye - mentioned it to my good 3rd years and they were saying it was like a dream school...very OTT. Also did not like the way they have singled out the boy Liam...very exploitative...will do that boy no good whatsoever...
     
  14. Didn't see it, but it would be good if it also started a debate about the true "quality" of classroom teachers.
    BTW, in case anyone starts, I'm a classroom teacher, not a manager. Nor do I want to be one - been there for a while, got the tee-shirt, put the tee-shirt in the bin. The greasy "poll" (sic) is not for me.

     
  15. Spot on! The focus on Liam was something you could probably expect a film crew to have - but for the "caring" school to allow it. That just lent the cliche to the "charity work in Malawi" and the lie to any pretence of understanding the autistic spectrum.
     
  16. amysdad

    amysdad Occasional commenter

    I actually thought Liam came across as a really nice kid, but one who was clearly at the high achiever end of the spectrum.
    One thing which really struck me about how the school managed him - filming aside - was that I don't think they were really receptive to his needs. For example, the commentary noted that Liam had trouble socialising and adapting to new surroundings, so what did the school do when he got there? Put him in classes where there was nobody else from his primary school. Fortunately he seemed to have a group of good friends who - at first - helped him bed in, but clearly as they developed new friendships they drifted away from Liam and left him alone. Personally I was really shocked at this and I think had I been Liam's parent I would have been more or less demanding he was in a class with his friends!
    I wonder, though, whether the school would have let him be filmed had he been at the other end of the autistic spectrum, or had ADHD and regularly 'forgot' to take his medication.....
     
  17. Agreed mcmullet; I was underwhelmed by the appointment procedures of the 'dynamic' young Acting DHT (HT tells her: "It wasn't close at all... you were great!" The other candidates must have loved seeing that played back). However, I can already see this thread following the standard 'SMT/Guidance are rubbish while dedicated 'real treachers' and 'chalkfacers' are undervalued superheroes'. The sad truth is, like all jobs, we have plently of average to poor 'professionals' <u>at all</u> levels of the school.
     
  18. Very true, but the point being made I believe is that teachers who put themselves forward to be filmed may have an agenda. I would personally not put myself forward as I would not like to be all over TV and, to be honest, I have far too much work to do. I'm a teacher who teaches, not a glory hunting, career junkie, whom I abhore.
     
  19. You seem to be the kind of person who always finds some sort of carping criticism to make about any of your colleagues who aren't exactly like you. Actually, there&rsquo;s nothing wrong with a little ambition.
    Personally, I would mind being filmed - not because I want to become a reality TV star or want promotion, but because it would be a good chance to show the public how hard I do work, and how great my pupils can be.I suspect you have the perfect face for radio...
     
  20. morrisseyritual

    morrisseyritual Occasional commenter

    Yes, good and bad in all areas - but I thought the very structure and system rather than the people in it was shown up - if a viewer looked for it.
    1. Really? That's How Promotion Works? I agree that bright, young, go-get-them-tiger teachers can be very effective in a positive way upon the school - but this shouldn't be the default position on who merits promotion or why is there CPD at all? This default position was the one on display last night and one the makers, school and LA didn't think needed disguising, surprisingly/naively.

    2. CfE shown very much not being implemented. One prominent paper contributed by Brian Perkins to CfE's pastoral inclusion policy is that integration and work go hand in hand as a more positive solution for pupils on the autistic spectrum or learning disadvantaged. Not a whiff of this was performed apropos the "Liam" boy. The vague Von-Trapp aura of the extra curricular work and trips was shown as being disctinct from the working life of the school, daily courses etc - by now, according to Mike Russell, CfE should be in full swing. The Malawi event was laudable - but, like a lot of these things, this seemed a tagged on, teacher-led activity that ultimately, educationally and even, ironically, pastorally was worth little. I argue this because the work was not contingent and hadn't been assessed in any meaningful way when it was a massive achievement which could have ticked so many boxes. Maybe it did and we just didn't see it...

    3. Less "Positive" than it seemed
    It is easy to greet the faces of buoyant optimism that pervaded the screen on Monday night with vitriolic cynicism and, despite my rhetoric here, I am open to looking at 'The High School' as a complete document. However, the handling of the Romanian newcomer was woefully inadequate, there seemed no SMT presence at all during breaks and next week's trail promised an entirely mishandled race issue.

    'The High School' is showing that our system needs changing.
     

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