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Herald Article On Supply Pay Rates

Discussion in 'Scotland - education news' started by GuessWho, Jan 2, 2012.

  1. GuessWho

    GuessWho Occasional commenter

  2. Si N. Tiffick

    Si N. Tiffick Occasional commenter

    It is clearly a mistake- £70 is the gross daily rate.
  3. GuessWho

    GuessWho Occasional commenter

    We know it's a mistake but non-teachers reading the article are unlikely to know that!
  4. Anyone else added a comment on there? Mine has to wait for moderation, apparently...
  5. Yes and my comment was along the lines that we need to focus on the future and if there is an opportunity to put things right we should rather than go over old ground.

    My view of the agreement hasn't changed - I still think it was a mistake - but if thee is a willingness to look at the rate of pay for supply teachers we need to do so and try and restore all teachers to a single salary scale.
  6. kibosh

    kibosh Star commenter

    No implication there. Unfortunately it clearly states:
    "Changes to supply staff pay means supply staff must work at the lowest hourly rate of £70 for five consecutive days . . . "
    Ah, if only it were true . . .
  7. catmother

    catmother Star commenter

    For once, a clear report from BBC Scotland!
  8. ryeland

    ryeland New commenter

    The ghastly Russell was just on the radio boasting about how he will solve the problem of competition from Tesco by training more teachers.

    Ever thought of using the ones you have already got, Mr Russell? Try the Job Centre.

  9. The problem, as he well knows, is not shortage of teachers.
    The problem is shortage of pay.
    He is confusing the two on purpose. He wants to obfuscate the truth, which is this: this pay shortage has been deliberately engineered---with the help of the vast majority of EIS members, let's not forget---as a deliberate plan by the SG and COSLA to reduce the overall cost of education by deprofessionalising teaching in Scotland.
    The SG and COSLA are achieving this in stages. They have begun by savaging the bits around the edge of the profession, which they hope no parents will care about, ie, supply teachers. So far, so good--what parents give a hoot about supply teachers, after all? (Indeed, what teachers give a hoot about supply teachers? Not nearly enough, clearly.)
    Soon the SG and COSLA will be coming for more, for example, cutting back on those those expensive "visiting specialists" with a view to replacing them with much cheaper diploma'd or certificated workers in art, music, and PE, etc.Coming soon to a school near you.
    I'm not making this up. It's all there in McCormac and in COSLA's submission thereto.
  10. kibosh

    kibosh Star commenter

    CanuckGrrl - I completely agree with you wrt to the machiavellian manoeuvring you describe. But I don't feel we can sit around and let the tapestry unroll, they way they (SG) want it to. Picking away at the edges of things is a game we can all play. It may be a 'fait accompli' of sorts, BUT the issue is getting a fair bit of media coverage now that people are making a little more noise . . . . I'm hoping the louder the noise, the more politically advantageous it becomes for the SNP to, ever so graciously, do a u-turn (for votes) . . .the plan to train more teachers will take time to orchestrate (18 months before they hit the ground running as probationers, assuming that the Uni's have not been given their intake figures yet for 2012) and 18 months of loud, public protest will be an uncomfortable wait and put new entrants (to Teaching) off.
    Perhaps I'm just having a 'Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid' moment.

  11. kibosh, I hope you're right, and I agree completely that COSLA's plan for cost-cutting at the expense of the teaching profession must be resisted. So far, however, there's not much sign of any public protest beyond a few sound-bytes from Ann Ballinger. Comments by the teaching unions on these issues are always couched by the media in eye-rolling terms of teachers looking out for their own interests, and thus not credible. Parent groups need to weigh in on this, and soon.
  12. All the recent contributors have dignosed the disease 100% correctly -
    It's cut the costs time, and supply teachers have been thrown to the wolves. Yup, as you say, qualified visiting specialists next.
    They will come for you soon, permanent colleagues. They really really want to, and they really really will. How many fewer teachers are there this year compared to last? About 4000 or so? How many fewer can they get away with?
    So much for the diagnosis. What about the cure?
    It's up to you - but your support for supply teachers suggests you've already blown it. Get up off your comfort zone and take industrial action (now if not sooner) - otherwise this ghastly descent into chaos will continue.
    They say education's expensive. Let them make it cheap, and we'll see the cost of ignorance.

  13. The problem with a u-turn on supply rates (and I fully support the campaign to do so) is that it was only one aspect of the deal and McCrone has firmed up and taken further some of the proposals there. Career paths have been wiped out, promises broken about conserved salaries, contact time and the standard of maintaining qualified teachers in every classroom. Probationers have had time for reflection and learning removed and while CPD is highlighted there's no money even to get teachers together on a regular basis to share good practice. And, as the final icing on a cake I find hard to swallow anyway, teachers are no longer to be trusted to work at a time and place of their choosing. We need to address all aspects of the de-professionalism and not just supply rates. A u-turn here could be painted as a brilliant compromise and grounds to push through the rest. After all, we got what we wanted, no?
  14. Soon? Have you not noticed the rest of what's going on?
  15. Dominie

    Dominie New commenter

    Hang on there.

    Some of these have only been imposed in SOME LA areas. BUT nothing has been agreed in ANY LA re "time and place" arrangements. The SNCT agreement remains unchanged re that. Teachers are able able to leave school to complete personal marking and preparation and complete this at a place of their choosing. They need only INFORM their line manager. Permission is not required. Any line manager who attempts to say otherwise should be challenged on this.
  16. Yes, I've noticed. But check out the staffroom. Has anybody else noticed? Maybe they have, but they're probably just pretending that everything's going to be fine.
    I saw a super documentary yesterday (Earthflight). For "the lesser flamingo" read "Scottish teachers" and you've just about got the gist of it.
    (Allegories aside - it was a very good programme - do watch it.)
  17. I meant McCormac in that last post...I'm aware it hasn't been implemented but my concern is that the worst of it will be under the guise of compromise because the supply salary scale is returned to normal.
  18. I did. the one about geese the week before was also very good.
  19. kibosh

    kibosh Star commenter

    Will a good attempt not be made to bring the worst of it in anyway? Regardless of the supply situation. The cut in supply teachers wages was made (apparently) to save £45m . . . . if they decide to look at that issue again, it will be through a purely fiscal lens. If, and it's a HUGE if, supply wages are re-instated to scale, will they not just go looking to make the savings of £45m elsewhere? (as long as it's not MSP and council fat cat wages,working terms and conditions etc ) I don't see how implementing certain aspects of McCormac will be financially beneficial . . .. not to the tune of £45m.
    Who knows. Like everyone else, I'm speculating and trying to read the future from a couple of newspaper articles.
  20. Probably. It's just about the way its presented. Teachers whine about supply rates so we sort that and now they're whining about something else...silly teachers are never happy!
    I think in the long run they will. This "flexibility" over contact time worries me especially - I can see us all in Secondary working over current regulations through most of the year on the grounds that we get the time back over study leave. That's why they want us in school for the whole school day - you can't work at a time and place of your choosing if you might get called for cover any moment, regardless of how much contact time you've already clocked up that week. The abolition of chartered teacher will save an increasing salary bill and now that most LAs are implementing Faculty Heads and PT conserved salaries are disappearing, I think there could be substantial savings.

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