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Health Check

Discussion in 'Thinking of teaching' started by Cherrie163, Mar 13, 2011.

  1. Hey guys,

    I was just wondering if anyone knew what the health check entails. I have an unconditional offer but was worried about the health check as I was diagnosed with PTSD after I was a victim of assault. I'm ok now but still a little worried xxx
     
  2. Hey guys,

    I was just wondering if anyone knew what the health check entails. I have an unconditional offer but was worried about the health check as I was diagnosed with PTSD after I was a victim of assault. I'm ok now but still a little worried xxx
     
  3. Hi Cherrie,

    I'm so sorry to hear about the assault and hope you are feeling better these days.

    For my uni, we had to fill out a questionnaire asking us to tick whether we'd ever had the illness' listed such as eye problems, hearing, allergies, depression etc. We then had to write down if we'd had time off work/school in the last five years, saying what the problem was, when it started and when it ended. I think they have also asked to looked at my medical records from my doctor (as I have been charged £20!)

    If I were you, if you have to fill out a form, be honest and say what you had and why. If you don't mention it and they read your medical records you could get in trouble. However if you are truthful I don't think they will see what you had as a problem as it is clear if was a result of the attack.

    Try not to worry about it, I'm sure you will be fine. On my form it also said I can see the medical record before the doctor sends it and if there is something I don't agree with, I can ask the doctor to remove it, if they won't I can attach a note to my uni saying why I think it's wrong etc.

    Good luck!
     
  4. sorry, should say "it is clear it was a result of the attack'.
     
  5. Hmmm, I wasn't worried about the health check till I read the OP here and made the link in my head.....for the past few months I have been back and forth to my GP about a health issue that could have been something benign but he sent me to a specialist just in case. The - particularly arrogant - consultant I saw derided my GP for sending me, saying 'it's clearly only *****, nothing sinister, you're only young' then proceeded to write to my GP, cc me, stating that I should 'consider therapy for my anxiety'!!!
    I accept that I am now very vigilant re mine and my other half's health, following the death of a (fairly young) step-parent to cancer last September, but I don't believe that this indicates that I am overly anxious.
    I'm now a tad concerned that this will show up on my health check. My offer says unconditional, but my university has yet to send us the health check/CRB forms.....and I daren't call, in case I highlight this to the course leader and show myself to be 'anxious'.....
    Anyone know if you can get things like this taken off your medical records/if it matters in terms of the PGCE health check?
     
  6. I'm quite concerned too. I have got quite a big medical file! My condition has been stable for quite a while now though and I have the full support of my doctor. Any advice from anyone would be great!
     
  7. The only thing you can do, and should do, is to be completely honest in filling in the health form. If you hide something which then later shows up during your training, they will take a dim view of you for having concealed material facts and can expect less than helpful response (e.g. if you need to take time off or intercalate). Remember the health check is there for two chief reasons: to screen out those unfit for teaching or teacher training, and give extra support to those who may need it to complete successfully. Whatever you enter on the form will be looked at by the occupational health unit of your uni, which is quite separate from your teaching staff. If they need further details, they will usually contact your GP and any other doctors who have treated you for a report, for which you are asked to give your consent. If you refuse your consent, your place is likely to be cancelled, as they are unable to complete the statutory checks. In most cases, provided your condition was in the past or is well under control and unlikely to recur under the pressure of ITT, then you should be fine. You may be invited for a chat with a doctor or a nurse. Everything will be done to get an accurate picture of your physical and mental condition, to spare any adverse effect on your health as a result of doing PGCE, and to make reasonable adjustment and give you whatever support you may need.
     
  8. Which Uni's are these. Do all of them do a health check?? Does anyone know if Leciester does?
     
  9. Yes all Unis have them. It is generally a condition for getting on the course. x
     
  10. The course provider will only ask for more information from your doctor about health problems that you disclose on the health questionnaire. If you don't feel it is relevant why disclose it? if anything comes up when on the course how would they know if it is a new problem or an existing one? This is not a legal document and I think it should be down to you to decide whether you are fit for the course, not an occupational health administrator at the university.
     
  11. You are wrong. It is a requirement by law that you disclose all your medical history, and it's not up to you to decide what is relevant - let the OHP do their job. By not disclosing your full medical history, and when there are reasons to believe you haven't told the whole truth and your course provider get your medical history direct from your GP, your dishonesty will be plain to see. You haven't just broken the law but you have shown yourself to lack integrity, be dishonest and unprofessional. You have to complete medical form each time you get a teaching post, right to the end of your career, and you have to disclose all your medical history no matter how long ago.
    Relevant law is Education (Health Standards) (England) Regulations 2003 (SI 2003 No. 3139).
    It's the same with Enhanced CRB disclosure - you have to disclose all your criminal record, as nothing is considered 'spent' under Enhanced disclosure - including shoplifting at the age of 15. Whether anything will come up in CRB check, you have to own up to every single incidence of warning, conviction, fine, bind-over etc (including motoring convictions but not fixed penalty offences), each time you get a teaching post until you retire.
     
  12. This has nothing to do with disclosure prior to undertaking an ITT course rather it is for employers who think that employees have become unfit for duty on medical grounds.


    According to my doctor it isn't, do you have any further details on this law? CRB checks are completely different and irrelevant.
     
  13. You are again wrong. The 2003 Regulations specifically include screening prior to ITT.
    The best summary of the regulations and the background material is the 2007 version of Fitness to Teach, at
    http://www.bishopg.ac.uk/docs/Partnership/FitnessToTeach2007.pdf
    Look at C.10:
    Failure to disclose relevant medical information and providing false information may make you liable to be removed from the training course.
     
  14. What specifically do the 2003 documents you mentioned earlier say about ITT screening?

    These guidelines for fitness to teach screening are different to the documents you referred to earlier. They have also been removed from NHS and government websites as they may not reflect current government legislation.

    This is still not a basis in law to disclose anything you do not want to. Yes the course provider MAY decide to remove you, however if you are confident any medical condition will not be a problem for you then this situation will never arise and there is no need to jeopardise your place on the course or disclose uncomfortable information.
     
  15. The regulations haven't been repealed or replaced, and still stand, and ITT providers are duty bound to follow them. It's also part of the Secretary of State's requirements for 'Qualifying to Teach' in R1.14, on TDA website and it's still in force.
    If you want to omit any medical conditions or history you consider to be irrelevant, go ahead and do it, but don't come back to me afterwards if you get into any trouble. You have been warned.
    Also may I respectfully advise you that if you persist in making up your own rules as you go along, I will guarantee you will get into trouble at some stage with your course provider or placement schools or both.

     
  16. Yes providers are required to asses mental and physical fitness to teach by asking us to complete a questionnaire but we are not legally obligated to disclose anything. Any problems that arise on the course that were not disclosed before may be grounds for removal from the course, then again they may not. I do not make up my own rules but after working in human resources for education and health care recruitment I do have an understanding of them. People do have things on their medical record that are sensitive and that carry some stigma. It is completely up to the individual if they want to disclose this.
     
  17. Then they are quite at liberty to cancel their offer if you decide not to complete your medical questionnaire.
    Of course omitting some medical conditions may not in the end matter if you never have any medical issue during your training (they will never find out), but then what the point of having a screening process if prospective students decide for themselves what to disclose and what to conceal?
    As I've said in my first reply that the purpose of health screening is twofold: to stop someone being trained as teacher who is medically unfit, and to offer any support and make a reasonable adjustment, according DDA, so that the person has the best chance of accessing training. So it works both ways. By not disclosing something, you may be depriving yourself of a source of help which may become crucial in your ultimate success or failure on PGCE.
     
  18. As I have repeated a number of times, it's not up to you to decide what to disclose and what to withold - you have to disclose all your medical history, and you let the occupational health professionals decide what is relevant to teacher training. They have to work according to guidelines laid down, and they have procedures to follow if a candidate discloses something that may impact on their training or their duty of care towards pupils they will be teaching. If you have children yourself, you don't want them to be exposed to a trainee teacher who because of medical condition cannot discharge their basic duty or may even put the pupils at risk. While you are normally supervised in school and there is usually a qualified teacher within earshot, this doesn't always happen - it didn't when I trained 5 years ago, and a trainee at times has to shoulder considerable responsibility for a roomful of children.
    If as a result of your medical or mental condition or history, you are deemed unfit to (train to) teach, you do have the right of appeal.
     
  19. I have said that Im not disclosing something that I didnt have. It was not a medical or mental condition. I was unhappy, not depressed.
    It is obviously worrying quite a few people. Are there guidelines about what makes someone fit or unfit.
     

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