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Health & Social Care Teacher - Job prospects

Discussion in 'Social sciences' started by Mackem85, Dec 7, 2011.

  1. Mackem85

    Mackem85 New commenter

    There are major uncertainties in the education system right now with any subject outside of the Ebacc. H&SC unfortunately is one of them. Numbers on GCSE courses are dwindling due to the Ebacc, and BTEC H&SC is an issue for schools as the traditional equivalent of 4GCSEs that could be placed in league tables no longer can be classified as 4, it is now only going to be 1. Therefore schools are concentrating efforts elsewhere at GCSE level. However, this is not to say that H&SC courses won't run, its just that they will run in a different way.

    Similarly, at A Level, applied subjects are largely being discontinued, and the exam boards haven't made decisions on H&SC courses beyond 2013 at the moment. There are going to be announcements in the new year. However, H&SC will continue to be a big subject at post 16, maybe just in FE colleges rather than schools/6th forms.
    The additional thing with H&SC is that you have biology teachers teaching it. Its not always a H&SC specialist, so its additional competition. If you want to train to be H&SC you have to be able to offer something additional - e.g. psychology, sociology, childcare at A Level and alternatives at GCSE e.g. a science, RE. Citizenship and PSHE used to be popular, however schools aren't concentrating on these subjects as much, and sometimes collapse the timetable for a day every term to cover these subjects, rather than have 1 lesson a week.
    This is not to put you off, it is just the reality of the education system at the moment. I started teacher training due to being made redundant, so had no alternative job plans and so wasn't leaving a secure job. I am concerned that I may not get a job at the end and have to rely on supply or something different. Jobs across the country are difficult at the moment, and it is very difficult to predict the future due to changes in pensions, changes in teacher training, and wider changes in the education system
  2. Thanks for your reply Mackem85, I notice from your previous posts that you may be on the course I'm considering? How's the feeling among the students about job prospects at the end of the course? I'd previously heard Durham has good demand for H&SC teachers? Do you get any indication from lecturers? How many got in for H&SC this year?
    I've got to think carefully about this decision, as I have a good job/career, but I've always wanted to be a teacher. I've got 15 years experience working in the private sector any many vocational qualifications that I hope would enable me to also move into Business Studies teaching, so hopefully this could be my second subject. Thanks for any info.
  3. blt

    blt New commenter

    I think things are also pretty positive in some places though. I work in a school and we are increasing courses - not cutting them. We're offering single and double award GCSE and A-level HSC and have added the Btec for next year. We're seeing an increased demand as parents look to what courses are best for their child. Yes there is the ebacc issue but in a good school it's less of a problem - I think because the school is confident they will meet the national targets without having to place undue pressure on students to tae certain courses.
  4. Hi blt, thanks for the feedback, it's great to hear some positivity!! Don't suppose your school is North East based??
    I've only just come back into the forums in the last week or so (I previously got a place on the same SCITT course a few years ago, but didn't go ahead due to financial risks at the time), and the tone seems to have changed loads from what I remember - it all seems a bit doom and gloom on the job prospects front, and I'm starting to get cold feet.
    Thanks again.
  5. The new BTEC can be worth 1, 2 (and possobly 3 - can't remember) GCSEs, depending on what the school decides.
  6. Georgia99

    Georgia99 New commenter

    HSC teacher jobs are advertised throughout the year. But the most you will find on TES even at peak season (April time) is about 30 jobs.
    However, while this seems a few compared to maybe 200 jobs being advertised in Science, it isn't as bad as it looks.
    Firstly, there are not many HSC qualified teachers out there. I applied for 4 HSC teacher jobs, was shortlisted for all 4, at each interview there were never more than 4 candidates, at my last there was only 2! I secured employment at interview number 4.
    There were 7 PGCE trainees at my TP who specialised in HSC, everyone qualified in July 11 and all had jobs by October 11.
    There is much less competition for HSC teacher jobs and while non specialist teachers apply for these jobs, they rarely get shortlisted based on my experience of what the interviewing schools have told me and the current head at my present school. Schools will favour subject specialists.
    There is also the bonus with HSC that jobs come up in FE frequently.
    My TP have a 100% employment rate of all HSC graduates for the last 6 years since they started running the course, the only other subject they can say this for is Maths.
  7. Thanks Georgia99, sounds good! Which region and/or TP did you use? Do the jobs available tend to be permanent or temp contracts? Do schools still expect you to cover a second subject as well as HSC? Thanks for the info.
  8. It is helpful to have a second subject and there may not be enough teaching hours in a school for HSC. For example, in my school, we run BTEC Level 2 and 3 (one group each in yrs 10-13), 16 hours teaching time overall. So, I teach A Level Sociology and Humanities as well (my degree is Sociology).
  9. Georgia99

    Georgia99 New commenter

    Hi Ellis, I was looking in the Devon and Cornwall areas which is hugely difficult for gaining teaching jobs.

    I don't have a second subject, my degree is in Nursing. However during my PGCE I had the opportunity to do a little bit of teaching of PSHE and Child Development and you find that TPs generally do give you a little bit of experience in other subjects. Trainees on my course had Psychology and Sociology degrees and also gained some teaching experience in those subjects.

    At my first PGCE placement school they employed two HSC teachers, one was full time HSC and the other was three days HSC and two days Psychology teaching. At my second school there was one HSC teacher and she was full time.

    Of the four interviews I attended, the first was for a permanent job and was full time HSC, the second and third were full time and were both joint Child Development and HSC. The fourth and final interview where I work now is four days a week, my contract is temporary but I have been told I will be offered a permanent contract. At my current school there is a full time HSC teacher who is also HOD and I work four days a week and teach all HSC apart from 1 hour a week of PSHE.

    A lot depends on what courses the school runs and whether they offer single or double award. My current school teaches HSC from Year 10 to 13 and all courses are double awards. I could be full time at my school technically because they have shipped out the A Level modules which involve any Anatomy to the Science department. As an ex nurse this is my strong area so is disappointing for me.

    If you have a degree in Sociology/Psychology etc I think this is an advantage sometimes as it allows you to apply for teacher jobs of these subjects as well as HSC jobs. I was quite envious of my fellow trainees as they had more jobs to apply for and schools also valued the additional subject they could bring. The only time my Nursing degree may be an advantage would be in the FE sector where they favour HSC professionals, schools on the other hand don't seem to.
  10. Georgia99

    Georgia99 New commenter

    Apologies, the paragraphs disappeared!!
  11. Mackem85

    Mackem85 New commenter

    It's difficult to say what the demand will be as it will vary from year to year. I followed job adverts last year due to being in the same position as you, and for the north east I think there may have been about 5 or 6 jobs in total. I am based in the north east and am hopeful I will secure a job (probably more in a FE college). However, I can offer second subjects in sociology, law and psychology which will boost my chances. I am also willing to offer other subjects if it will secure me a job. It is difficult with anything to predict job openings. I know most of the ones from the course last year secured jobs, (all but 1 I think), but sometimes it is down to personal choice and how far you are willing to travel.
  12. Hi there,
    In response to your concern, I have just passed the PGCE PCE programme and have been employed as a VT (visiting teacher)...the jobs are out there...you just have to be flexible, willing to commute and put your all into your application form. Ensure that you write a thorough supporting statement which sells yourself as there will be alot of candidates for every post. The teacher training programme is intense but will fine tune you for the profession. Stick with it and have faith...good will come of it.
    Good Luck!

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