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'have you found a job yet?'

Discussion in 'Supply teaching' started by anon1369, Jan 7, 2011.

  1. I am getting sick of being asked this question on a weekly basis. I know people are just trying to be supportive and show that they are interested but I wish it would stop.
    Most people don't understand that teaching jobs have set times when they are released in bulk due to the notice deadlines. So asking me on a weekly basis if I have found a job yet is not in the least bit helpful as most of the time there are none advertised. Obviously there are a few which may crop up - maternity leaves and the like.
    I had 3 job interviews whilst I was on my PGCE - but obviously didn't get any of them! I was so excited to get interviews that I told nearly everyone, but everytime I found it more difficult and annoying to have to repeatedly tell people I was unsuccessful.
    Luckily for me there are currently 3 jobs to apply for but I don't really want to tell anyone because of this. I will tell my mum and partner but not anyone else because I can't deal with constantly being asked if I got an interview. Again I don't think I am going to tell anyone *if* I get an interview.
    People who are not in education don't seem to understand how tough it is with over 100 applicants per post and the fact that some schools are looking for a particular 'type' of person. I'm fed up of 'advice' that I should go on courses to improve interview technique etc as I am obviously not any good if I didn't manage to get a job after THAT many interviews - yes 3, just 3!
    So, are you fed up of being asked this question? Do you tell people about applying for jobs or getting an interview or do you get the same reaction as me?
     
  2. They usually qualify it with, "I thought there was a shortage of teachers.With so many unemployed teachers about it would be possible for a Minister with imagination to come up with some imaginative schemes to address growing educational problems.Unfortunately, there are no Ministers with imagination.
     
  3. I have stopped telling anyone except my partner when I've got an interview. Having applied for over 70 jobs now I'd bore everyone if I told them every time I'd applied for a job.
    Do people not think that you'll let them know when you do get a job?! I did the same when taking driving tests and I passed the one I didn't tell anyone about!

     
  4. I didn`t tell anyone about my last two interviews either. I did forego an assembly at my son`s school though for the last one - to be told I wasn`t experienced enough despite it being quite clear I was an NQT! This rejection lark is certainly making me a tough cookie though! What with my supply armour getting nice and steel like I might apply for the SAS in a few months time! And....If I was given a pound every time someone says "I thought there was a shortage of teachers" I wouldn`t need a job at all! Its always asked rhetorically as well - as if my dear family and friends are so well informed about the state of this profession I`ve thrown myself into that they don`t require an answer! More seriously, I think the competition is so stiff that I have drawn up a plan of attack for my next interview. I plan to go there 1: In a tutu (PE) 2: Playing the trumpet (Music) 3: Speaking to them only in fluent Russian (or whatever would be useful) (MFL) I reckon its in the bag.

     
  5. VelvetChalk

    VelvetChalk New commenter

    Yeah, it narks me off too, although my education friends also ask (I wonder if theyve forgot what its like)


    One distant family friend asked me the other day about it then said 'well theres lots of teachers assistant jobs in the paper'
    I tell them im now considered over qualified for the job to which the reply was 'but it might get you into a teaching job'

    Of course it might. :s
     
  6. lol. It's true though!

    On a more serious note, I am curious how people actually deal with the pressure of getting a job and how their path through alternatives progresses. I read a LOT of posts by people who say "I am a teacher, there is only one job, I will keep trying and I will succeed" and a load of others by people who have decided to take the labtech/CS/TA/Cleaner route.


    When supply started getting a bit thin and I was struggling, my GF wanted to get shacked up "down there" where there is really no work. I applied for all sorts of things after realising teaching was nepotism at best and dead men's shoes at worst. I looked at alternatives, particularly referral unit work. My CV and application form were about as good as it gets and only let down by a rather dodgy set of "supply" references which we all enjoy after a few years (in order not to use our last good one and get the "what the hell have you been doing for the last 2 years? Supply? you must be unemployable!"). I had the pressure of "get it sorted" which wasn't very nice, from all angles. I went for CS positions and managed to convince myself it was worth it.....then I didn't hear anything. "I must be a pretty sorry excuse is I can't get work as a cover supervisor!!!! being prepared to under-value myself"......then I went the whole hog, got the gun and shot both of my feet motivationally. I went for a lab technician job. I convinced myself that it was OK and I'd get back on the wagon at some point. So, you have a science teacher, a dangerous chemicals specialist, familiar with every course, every experiment, class amounts, COSHH, etc, etc, etc. AND I DIDN'T EVEN GET AN INTERVIEW!!!!!! Now, that was pretty much the point where I had a big laugh at myself and then went and got very drunk! What was even more rage intensifying was the grapevine feedback of who actually got hired. I consoled myself with the fact that the heads did not appear to be acting in the best interests of the students and by "helping" some second rate person overachieve, they had shot my attempts at being an underachiever!!!


    I applied for everything at the local council vaguely relating to my skill set and heard nothing, only to find out that some bizarre decision had been made with regards to who they hired. Utterly mad, but it's easier to change yourself than it is the status quo....


    You get to that point and misery sets in. The whole staying up late, drinking too much, being in bed too much and growing a massive beard, just because whatever you do makes no difference.


    I'm pretty familiar with the despair that people in the above situation are in. I knew it well. I credit myself with being psychologically pretty strong and I do genuinely worry about people who have qualified, have put all their eggs in one basket and are going to fail, look at the plan B, fail as well, then look at the other opportunities and fail at those as well, then becoming totally drowning in the situation. I have met lots of people in the situation and there are lots on here


    Whilst I may make a joke about things and be blunt/obtuse as my way of perhaps dealing with what I perhaps could regard as a major personal disaster, the situation is a mess. We have a log jam of qualified people flooding a market where the usual flux has been supressed by the economic situation..... Regarding this state of affairs, it is criminal that heads cut corners arrogantly with staff, given the surplus of people crawling over each other to have a snifter at a crappy maternity leave, or someone "taking the pi$$" like they do in full time positions!


    It's a 2 tier position and more and more people have a delusion about their future prospects because the visible reality appears to be a position on the gravytrain which is in fact, full.


    You couldn't make it up and over on the "prospective student teachers" page are a bunch of hopefuls, all keen with the willingness to work and do what they are told, wanting to believe the bullshizzle and prepared to go to any degree to see that standard 2.213.34.2a/3255666 'using african contemporary dance to celebrate islam' is met.


    I was like it once and another thing is that the more you do supply (back when you could), the more you see the difference in attitudes and the utter pi$$ taking of certain idle and should-be-bloody-sacked wasters who inhabit staff rooms and hide behind regulations..... I've seen it all and really, it would be funny if it wasn't so tragic


    The solution has humour as a component. Cheers!
     
  7. ........and, I really kicked myself in the face as things were rosy back then and I had a full time contract and I didn't like the HOD or the odd set of staff in my department. I lacked communication, let alone support/comradeship and thought "ferk this" I'll jack it in, do supply for a bit and "just get a job". Talk about a critical need for a crystal ball, if there ever was one!

    What a total ***!
     
  8. So sad, funny, angry and utterly honest...woe are we and the saddest observation of all; a now completely divided "profession" of haves and have-nots" ! Supply teachers in the sorrowful continual cycle of employment, redundancy, employment followed by redubdancyetc etc until one;s death bed, an iability to answer the alarm at 6 am let alone hear it?! Stuart dan All the best for 1/1/11 and beyond!
     
  9. bigpig

    bigpig New commenter

    I have a friend who says 'have you tried such a school?' like getting a teaching job is like finding shop work, just go in with my CV and see if they would like me!
    Lots of head teacher and deputy jobs have come online in my area since the schools went back but that is it. Hopefully some people will promote to one of these and there will be a job somewhere :)
    My other rant is so called 'retired' teachers getting jobs or doing supply. If there are any of these on here, why do you go back to teaching, even if it is just supply, once you have retired?
     
  10. Why shouldn't retired teachers want to carry on working when they have the legal right to do so?
    Maybe they love the work but need a little extra money to supplement their pensions and supply work would be ideal for this.
    Maybe full time work could be too much for one reason or another so again supply work is ideal.
    They could be using many years of experience which should be welcomed by he schools.
    Full time retirement with little money to spend on other interests could be too much.
    At least the younger teachers could still have time to start on a second career which would not be open to older teachers.
    Younger teachers may feel as if they have been thrown on the scrapheap if they cannot get teaching work but that feeling can be much magnified for the older teachers who have no chance of doing anything else
     
  11. A most compelling and recent statistic from the DWP: some 17% of all those curently living in this country will have a life "expectancy" of 100 years ! I did not mention an age group but of course the younger one is the greater probability of ending up a centenarian?
    Now imagine "relishing" the iead of early retirement at say 50 odd years...and not actually work in paid employment for another 50 years? What an utter disaster for that individual? Of course all degrees of p/t work aND CULTIVATING OTHER INTERESTS MAKES sense.

     

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