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Has EIS shot themselves in the foot? Will SSTA membership surge due to this?

Discussion in 'Scotland - education news' started by Freddie92, Apr 29, 2011.

  1. Freddie92

    Freddie92 Occasional commenter

    COSLA seem to have gotten what they want. Divide and conquer. Turn the two unions on each other.

    Though I do think far more Secondary teachers will join the SSTA in future, especially students and probationers.
  2. Dominie

    Dominie New commenter

    The EIS leadership had the opportunity to accept SSTA and NASUWT (even VOICE for that matter) as "brother and sister trade unionists" and worked positively with them to defeat the COSLA proposals.
    They did not. They did what they wanted to do. What they always have done: "We are the EIS. We don't need anyone else. We will make the decisions etc."
    The deed has now been done and it can't be reversed. EIS members will have to decide whether they want to be part of the EIS at all and if so, to "get active" (pun intended) and bring their leaders to heel. The alternative is to jump ship to other unions. I would like to think that they would be able to do the former in sufficient numbers to make a difference. Unfortunately, I tend to the view that any organisation with leaders such as those who took this decision in this context, is probably beyond saving and possibly not worth saving.
    As I said though, it'll be for the EIS membership to decide.
  3. ryeland

    ryeland New commenter

    Nor me - but their collaboration has effectively ended my career, so I don't really need to be a member anymore. For now, I have joined the SSTA.

  4. Dominie

    Dominie New commenter

    This was posted on the RejectEIS facebook page ...

    Jumping the shark

    ReclaimEIS - the campaign to create a union fit to defend the conditions and pay of teachers.
    Dear Members, No doubt many of us are coming to terms with the events of the last few days and are now beginning to think about our next steps. How do we best harness the energy and dynamism of the REJECT EIS campaign in order to continue the fight? Already voices have been raised saying that we should all stay within the EIS in order to turn things around from the inside. As a committed EIS member of over 30 years, I would like to think that this would be the right choice. Unfortunately I do not believe this to be so. First of all, it would be a long slow process trying to weed out the apathy and self-interest that have become so deeply embedded within our union. Secondly, there would be no guarantee that we would be successful. Thirdly, conducting internal warfare would be a serious waste of energy and time and would take the collective efforts away from the real struggle with COSLA . Fourthly, immediate action that sends out a strong, clear message is what is needed. The only recourse open to us all is to jump ship and move en masse to the SSTA. I know that this flies in the face of long established loyalties, but is the most effective way forward. It is not the name of the union that matters but the principles and values of its membership and leadership. Look carefully at the SSTA literature/website and you will see that they reflect the feelings and aspirations of REJECTEIS. Why go through years of trying to change the EIS when we could achieve the same effect much more speedily? If the majority of EIS members really want to accept the COSLA offer and all that follows, then leave them to it. If the thousands of us who rejected the offer switch immediately the effect could be quite galvanising, strengthening the hand of the SSTA and creating a powerful force at the negotiating table in the months and years to come. There is a phrase that is commonly used in the world of corporate TV in America I.a.?jumping the shark? and refers to that moment in the life of a long-running TV series when a particular scene/episode causes the whole series to lose credibility. The show may linger on for some time, but in all reality, it has lost its impetus and vitality and is just prolonging its lingering death. I would suggest that by this acceptance of COSLA`s offer the EIS has ?jumped the shark?. It is now no longer a credible representative of the teachers of Scotland. The coming years will see its standing and authority wither on the vine.It had grown too arrogant and isolated from the real feelings of its members and those of us who actually believe in the values once represented by the EIS must now seek these values elsewhere.
  5. Absolutely agree with everything that you have said. I fully intend to leave the EIS but as a primary teacher, my choices are limited. I voted 'NO' in the vote and am disgusted by the actions of the EIS but what are my options?
  6. Ditto for me, Velma. What are the options for primary teachers in Scotland? There's precious little choice, it seems.....and that in itself speaks volumes about the female job ghetto that is primary teaching in this country.
  7. heldon

    heldon Occasional commenter

    contact SSTA and ask them to set up a primary section ?
  8. Flyonthewall75

    Flyonthewall75 New commenter

    Indeed, I think I suggested some time ago that the SSTA should rename themselves the Scottish Primary and Secondary Teachers' Association (SPSTA).
    That would provide genuine, healthy competition to the EIS and prevent them from dominating discussions on pay, conditions and other matters.
    Of course, one stumbling block to such a move can be anticipated from the following extract on the SSTA website:
    'Founded in 1944, the Scottish Secondary Teachers' Association is Scotland's only specialist union for Secondary Teachers. The union was set up to focus on secondary issues, initially as a reaction to the undue influence exercised on national education issues at that time by the primary sector. Nowadays this has developed into a commitment to ensure that the secondary view is properly represented.'
    However, as suggested in the last sentence of the above paragraph, times have moved on and, unless the undue influence the EIS has over national negotiations is challenged, the pay and conditions of all members are going to deteriorate.
    The solution, if I remember correctly, has already been put forward by 'Dominie' in one of his posts some time ago when he suggested that the EIS should have two separate sections for primary and secondary members so that each section could pursue issues particular, and relevant, to their own sector.
    Thus, the newly formed 'Scottish Primary and Secondary Teachers' Association' could have two separate sections for the primary and secondary sectors to pursue issues relevant to their own particular sectors, whilst joining together to campaign on other relevant local, and national, issues.
    That would not, of course, prevent the EIS and the, as yet, notional 'SPSTA' working together as separate unions or, for that matter, prevent primary and secondary members in each union cooperating on matters of sector-specific interest.
    What is important, I would suggest, is that the interests of all teaching members, both general and specific, whether permanent or supply, are properly represented.
  9. Exactly. This is precisely how teaching unions are comprised in many other places. Why persevere in reinforcing an out-dated professional divide/animosity between primary and secondary teachers? Teachers are teachers. Can we be grown-up now and agree on this point?
    And why not call it simply the Scottish Teachers Association, with membership restricted to two constituent divisions, of primary and secondary teachers?
    SSTA, I would suggest that if you did reform your constitution to include primary teachers, you would find a whole new membership base in the many primary teachers who are disaffected with the EIS and are seeking a Scottish alternative.
  10. Join the Facebook page as well. Stop the EIS destroying our futures.

    Vote to Reject: revised proposals on teachers pay and conditions 2011

  11. subman68

    subman68 Occasional commenter

    As I type I am still and EIS member but I wont be for much longer.
    I voted NO but I had to work very hard to do this. I was sent no first or second ballot. My wife (also a teacher) was sent no first ballot but did get the second one. I looked up the EIS website and there was a number to call to get you number to vote online....They did not have my details. I had to call EIS HQ to get them to contact the company that were running the online vote for them so that I could vote.
    I feel that this was a ploy by the EIS to keep the vote low. In my school 38% of EIS members did not get the second ballot paper. How can they vote if they do not get the ballot? Yes they could have done what I did but this took a lot of time and effort and to be honest I was running out of time to get it all done.
    The fact that I am in a union that appears to support the employer more than the average union member is sickening to me. Should I stay and try and change them....F that. I hope they rot. RS has his pay packet for life he is not facing the impact of going from the top of the scale to point 1 and then only paid for 25 hrs.. a 48% pay cut. I am shocked that any teacher could vote for such a thing.
    I would ask any Secondary teacher to have a long hard think about why they are in the EIS. If you think it is just for Legal cover and to be in a Union then do the right thing move to a union that will represent YOU not the employer.
    Just off to call the EIS and get my money back, then on to SSTA.
  12. piglet171

    piglet171 New commenter

    "Just off to call the EIS and get my money back, then on to SSTA"leet me know if you get anywhere with this as I pay annually and my sub isn't due till 1st Oct.
    I assumed it wouldn't be poss to get a proportion back, however I suppose you can with car insurance so why not with this?


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