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Hands up those who are raring to go

Discussion in 'Workplace dilemmas' started by Cantwaittogo, May 3, 2020.

  1. Cantwaittogo

    Cantwaittogo New commenter

    Back to school on 1st June? To a workplace where social isolating is an impossibility and the virus is still active?

    Not me!
     
  2. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    At some point schools have to get going again as they are in some other European countries.

    There is now quite a bit of evidence that young children generally get this virus asymptomatically and are not transferring it on at any great rate.

    We are like young mice covering at the entrance of the hole scared to go out in case the cat reappears.

    Time to go
     
  3. Corvuscorax

    Corvuscorax Star commenter

    1 year group at a time, classes split into thirds or quarters, students sit still in one place all day including lunchtime, staff move around. I think it could be doable. Whether or not it would be worth it, I am not sure, especially when considering the increase of use of public transport, etc. and the fact that no school equipment could be used, instruments, laptops, science equipment etc
     
  4. Aunt Sally

    Aunt Sally New commenter

    Me neither........when you have NHS staff writing an open letter to the govt asking that we don't return it makes you wonder. Having had a sister who has been in hospital with COVID-19 I am terrified of putting at any risk.
     
  5. Abitofeverything

    Abitofeverything Occasional commenter

    And what you describe won't help parents who will need to pick up their kids almost as soon as they've dropped them off, and most of whom will have more than one child who will need to be in school at different times, or even different schools at the same time...
    If things have to do as bitty as you suggest, which I think is highly likely, is the benefit worth all the risks associated with it?
     
  6. Cantwaittogo

    Cantwaittogo New commenter

    That may work in secondary but impossible in primary/early years
     
  7. clawthorpegirl

    clawthorpegirl New commenter

    And at what cost to the children's mental health and well-being? Are we really suggesting 5 and 6 year olds could (or should) be expected to do this? How frightening a lot of these social distancing measures will be to them and for what academic gain? There are significant limits to what can be taught to the younger children from a 2 metre distance.

    Most of key worker children are year three downwards and we’re spending all day reminding them to keep gaps between each other, one little boy saw his Nursery teacher this week and said ‘I just wish I could give you a hug’.

    This really made me think ...

    https://www.evidenceforlearning.net/recoverycurriculum/
     
  8. Cantwaittogo

    Cantwaittogo New commenter

    Well you go first and let us know how big the cat's claws are. If it's safe, we'll follow.
     
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  9. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    Schools have been open in Sweden all through this crisis.
     
  10. TheHeadteachersOffice

    TheHeadteachersOffice New commenter

    It’s time to open up the country and that has to start with schools in my opinion.

    There are many ways this could happen safely- split classes in half and have half in each day. Saturday school and reduced holidays could be put in place to make up any time lost.

    I don’t expect the teaching unions to co-operate with the government on this, so I suspect the government may have to work with individual heads and MAT CEOs to get schools up and running for June 1st.
     
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  11. drvs

    drvs Star commenter

  12. pair_of_argyles

    pair_of_argyles Occasional commenter

    I think you'll find it is only primary/middle schools that have remained open, high schools and universities are shut
     
    Last edited: May 3, 2020
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  13. frustum

    frustum Star commenter

    I think in primary you would organise it so different families are in on different days (plus an extra room or three for those who have to be in on more days due to keyworker parents).
    In secondary you'd need to redo the timetable, and start with getting year 10 back in. Possibly just year 10. I don't think I want anyone using the second floor classrooms in our local school - just getting to the classroom up a narrow staircase would be difficult to do with social distancing, and there are no hand-washing facilities at the top.
     
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  14. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    I agree we need to reopen at some point.

    When schools closed there were fewer around 100 deaths per day on average.
    We are currently at around 500 deaths per day on average.

    In a month's time we could be back down to where we were when schools closed, and, if the trend is still downwards, then reopening in a careful and safe way could work.

    Denmark's R value has apparently gone from 0.6 to 0.9 since they reopened schools. Some countries are hitting our media as 'reopening schools' but they are only reopening to key worker children, something we have kept throughout.
     
  15. drvs

    drvs Star commenter

    If the risk is low enough that schools can reopen, it would logically follow that physical distancing measures would also be relaxed enough to facilitate reopening.

    Interestingly, the sensationalist propaganda which the government and others have used to scare people into adhering to the lockdown rules is going to make coming out of lockdown much harder than it needs to be.

    Not really comparable figures though, the daily death numbers now include those who have died anywhere in the community - before last week it was just those who had died in hospital.
     
  16. Cantwaittogo

    Cantwaittogo New commenter

    *presses ignore button*
     
  17. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    I don't disagree, but we can still look to the figures for some idea of where we are at.
    20th March: 36 deaths and schools closed
    23rd March: 74 deaths and lockdown measures announced.
    2nd May: 621 deaths

    4350 deaths in care homes, but figures are unreliable
    28000 deaths in total
    So around 10-20% of deaths are in care homes

    Taking those off the total figures still gives more than 10 times as many daily deaths now as when schools closed.

    However, if the papers are to be believed, and 1st June is the accepted date to start reopening schools more widely, the figures may well have plummeted by then.
     
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  18. sbkrobson

    sbkrobson Star commenter

    Can you give an example of this "sensationalist propaganda" please?
     
  19. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide


    We've already worked out that you are @GreenTrees123 - the fake executive head of a non-existent free school - under a new name [and previous to that @CalF123 the fake deputy head of a non-existent free school] ;)
     
  20. drvs

    drvs Star commenter

    Yes, but I suspect that you've been watching the same news and reading the same articles and have viewed them as informative rather than coercive, so I'll pass on the lengthy debate which would no doubt follow.
     
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