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Hand Washing!

Discussion in 'Education news' started by mrajlong, Jul 2, 2020.

  1. mrajlong

    mrajlong Senior commenter

    Just been reading through the guidance for opening in September regarding hand hygiene. If a class of 30 have to wash their hands for 20 seconds each time (with only one sink), this will take 10-15 mins each time it needs to be done. This equates to a possible 1hr 15mins a day just to get kids' hands washed and a whopping 6hrs 15mins every week (based on them washing their hands 5 times during the day between sessions)

    Does anyone know of a more efficient way of doing this as this seems unworkable and a massive loss of learning time?
     
  2. ACOYEAR8

    ACOYEAR8 Star commenter


    Hand sanitiser in large dispensers, queue, squirt and back to work.
     
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  3. drvs

    drvs Star commenter

    Sprinkler.
     
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  4. mrajlong

    mrajlong Senior commenter

    Are primary age children allowed to use hand sanitiser that includes alcohol? If so, this would work (as long as we can source enough of the damn stuff - can you imagine how much would be used in a school of about 2000 kids?!)!
     
  5. ACOYEAR8

    ACOYEAR8 Star commenter

    My school has ca. 1.800 (secondary) . You're going to need swimming pools of it !
    Unsure about primary and alcohol.
     
  6. mrajlong

    mrajlong Senior commenter

    Imagine the cost too. Must be talking thousands for a large school!
     
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  7. Catgirl1964

    Catgirl1964 Established commenter

    And all to be met from the school’s existing budget
     
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  8. mrajlong

    mrajlong Senior commenter

    I have no doubt about this statement. Cue the government "we have provided x amount to help schools during this crisis" blah, blah, blah!
     
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  9. gainly

    gainly Star commenter

    To slightly misquote Matthew's Gospel:

    When Williamson saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of these just persons: see ye to it.
     
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  10. MsOnline

    MsOnline Occasional commenter

    Yes time consuming and also the overuse of paper towels, puddles of water on the class floor and overflowing bins filling up - yuk. I suppose it's to be expected.

    When more pupils are back, maybe older pupils can be trusted to wash hands in bathrooms before their lunch? I'd wondered how effective it was to start 15m before lunchtime, get hands washed only to send them to the playground with shared equipment because it wasn't their turn to dine.But they were the rules.

    Hand sanitizer can be so harsh for little hands, is the foam as effective? Or what about handwipes? 2 birds with one stone?
     
  11. becky70

    becky70 Occasional commenter

    I'm a primary teacher. No idea whether the hand sanitiser we use has alcohol or not but it hasn't hurt the children's hands. It's designed for use in schools and all H&S approved. It is quite time consuming even with small bubbles. It'll take forever with classes of 30.
     
  12. neddyfonk

    neddyfonk Lead commenter

    No idea who (WHO) advised our leaders - but actual research about how respiratory viruses spread concluded that it was virtually impossible to get infected from handling objects and then touching your eyes/nose/face. But it is of course good hygienic practice to avoid getting gastric infections from human waste / raw meat and prevent cuts/grazes getting sepsis etc.
     
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  13. Morninglover

    Morninglover Star commenter


    That advice flies in the face of the advice that has been given by scientists and public health experts consistently since the pandemic started.

    Please show what evidence you have for this - otherwise I'll have to assume that it is dangerous trolling and report the post.
     
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  14. Mr_Ed

    Mr_Ed Established commenter

    Our pupils are a) primary aged and b) Muslim. Could 60%+ alcohol hand sanitizer be an issue for that reason?
     
  15. Mr_Ed

    Mr_Ed Established commenter

    We should be making China chip in for this in my opinion. They can start be returning Hong Kong as they have recently broken past agreements over that place.
     
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  16. neddyfonk

    neddyfonk Lead commenter

    For years tv has advertised bleach/ antiseptic/ disinfectant products claiming quite correctly that they kill 99% of all known germs which land on work surfaces etc - but they 'suggest 'that they all need to be killed to avoid people being infected. With regard to respiratory viruses this is simply not true. Research at the CCU proved that respiratory viruses are not transmitted via fomites ( posh word for objects). Recent reports from meat processing plants where dozens of workers were infected due to closed air conditioning systems which re-circulated infected air whilst operatives adhered to rigorous personal hygiene regimes seems to prove the point.
     
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  17. pair_of_argyles

    pair_of_argyles Occasional commenter

    but...
    https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpubh.2020.00163/full

    The real answer is that this is such a new virus that no one really knows how it is spread

    The "wash your hands" advice will do no harm and does, if nothing else, help to draw attention to the fact that people do need to take personal hygiene much more seriously in these times
     

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