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Gunpowder TV prog about the GP plot

Discussion in 'Personal' started by TCSC47, Oct 21, 2017.

  1. TCSC47

    TCSC47 Star commenter

    Ok, because I can. Pedantic TV critic here. Just watched the first episode of gunpowder and it centred the beginning of the three part series around the Roman Catholic household of Baddesley Clinton near Solihul.

    Just to say that the building shown as Baddesley Clinton is NOT the actual Baddesley Clinton. Coincidentally we actually visited said property today which is a lovely medium sized country house surrounded by a moat. The property shown on the TV program was a large country residence rather like Ragley Hall with pretensions of aristocracy. Baddesley Clinton is nothing like that.


    Plug for the National Trust. Baddesley Clinton is open to the public though the Trust and the guides are very interesting to speak to about all the conflict between Catholics and Protestants of the time and the part that the household played in them.
  2. Mainwaring

    Mainwaring Lead commenter

    It had some desperately slow sequences, especially the search for the hidden priests, with all that tedious clumping about with big boots on oak floors. This was clearly intended to build tension and didn't. The pressing-to-death-hanging-drawing-quartering scene was quasi pornographic (and I am not referring to the nudity). Catesby was well-portrayed as a symbol of justifiable Roman Catholic alienation. Cecil was a cartoon figure. The 'My name is GUY FAWKES!' ending had us rolling in the aisles (or, at least, on the sofa). I know why it was done, but the repeated use of 'Catholic' rather than 'Papist' ducked a major issue. 17th Century Anglicans regarded themselves as catholics (i.e. part of the universal Church. But they abhorred the Papacy which had authorised the assassination of English monarchs.
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  3. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    ... at a steep price with gift aid slapped on and a pushy volunteer who'lwho'll try to get you to sign up.

    Least that's my experience.
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  4. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    I always used to accept 'Gift Aid' at museums, NT properties & elsewhere when one only needed to say 'Yes'.

    Then they seem to have changed the rules, and you get asked everywhere that isn't a business: for example when donating to a charity shop. And, if you say, 'OK', you get a long for to fill in, giving (too much) personal information. So now we just say 'No'. And if, as at major London Galleries or the NT, you get asked to pay MORE to do 'Gift Aid' (which was originally to allow them to claim back the tax paid on the entry...Well, doh, 'NO'!

    PS We joined the NT for this year, and have been trying to visit as many places as we can. Next year we won't renew, but may join English Heritage - again just for a year. Membership, if you use it, is a good bargain!
  5. minnie me

    minnie me Star commenter

    We have free NT membership with our bank account but I have never used it :eek:
  6. smoothnewt

    smoothnewt Star commenter

    Beautiful. Shame it's not near me. I do like it when you get a good tour of a place.
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  7. calamansi

    calamansi Lead commenter

    I suppose the marquess of hertford offered a cheaper rate than the national trust.
  8. lindenlea

    lindenlea Star commenter

    @TCSC47 I looked up the settings and they are mostly in Yorkshire. I enjoyed the Warks references but that was all. The torture scene went on and on and I had switched off the sound and hidden behind a cushion.
    I love NT round here , Baddesley Clinton is my favourite, and I love Charlecote, even though it is a latter day "Grand Design". I hadn't heard of Ashby St Ledgers and will go and explore as it looks pretty.
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  9. colpee

    colpee Star commenter

    Exactly. And at entry desks, the NT often do not tell you about the Gift Aid price hike and just quote the 10% higher cost. It irritates me, as does the membership rigmarole which takes ages for simple paperwork. With our last experience we were still waiting to get a membership pack and cards 3 months later, even after phoning to ask. We eventually cancelled, but kept the years free parking ticket for our trouble.
  10. lindenlea

    lindenlea Star commenter

    Nice tea rooms though.
  11. InkyP

    InkyP Star commenter

    Staffed in many cases by volunteers. When I was looking around for a volunteer job I was surprised to find them asking for volunteers to do the baking, clearing away and serving - I think this is a job for paid staff or, at the very least, catering students on placement.
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  12. GLsghost

    GLsghost Star commenter

    Joining the National Trust for Scotland gives reciprocal entry, is much cheaper and avoids NT politicking and posturing.
  13. magic surf bus

    magic surf bus Star commenter

    Wasn't his actual name Guido Fawkes? That's what's on the famous print of the conspirators anyway.

    To my mind, the long drawn out search for the hidden priests was very reminiscent of the opening scene in Inglorious Basterds, although I think Tarantino did it better.

    Somewhat predictable casting having Mark Gatiss/Mycroft Holmes as Robert Cecil but he does do shadowy and devious person with intelligence community connections quite well.

    I'll stick with it.
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  14. magic surf bus

    magic surf bus Star commenter

    Given what the NT charge for admission and in their posh shops I think it's immoral that they staff so many of their sites with volunteers. I work part-time at a local council run historic site, the team gets paid a modest hourly sum, and we charge a quarter of what the average NT site charges for admission.
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  15. lindenlea

    lindenlea Star commenter

    Well I'm a member and get great pleasure from their tea rooms and gardens. At Charlecote the kitchens are staffed by paid staff but the serving is done by volunteers. What's wrong with that? I believe houses also use volunteer gardeners and there are the room guides of course. if people are prepared to do it what on earth is wrong with it. I volunteer in a charity shop, on a committee and for a speaking newspaper. None are glamorous, all are quite hard work but it's my choice.
    I don't give much to charity but consider my membership a contribution to houses and landscapes I enjoy.
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  16. calamansi

    calamansi Lead commenter

    Sorry. - just reread the OP and saw that the house used was not necessaril ragley hall.
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  17. TCSC47

    TCSC47 Star commenter

    Absolutely agree with those here who thought the TV program itself was quite unpleasant and contained unnecessary drama. I found it difficult to watch and the rest of our household left the room! It does serve to remind us however how lucky we are to live here and now.

    For us, membership of National Trust is brilliant and we spend a lot of time visiting places and making use of our membership. To us, money very well spent. However, they are apparently not very good employers and appear to be moving towards something like zero hour contracts for new employees. That does disturb me somewhat.

    We are also members of English Heritage which we also enjoy.
  18. magic surf bus

    magic surf bus Star commenter

    My objection is not to volunteering per se, I do that myself. However I'm sure your charity shop isn't charging £13.50 a head for entrance then expecting customers to take out a second mortgage to purchase a jar of pot pourri, yet NT are staffing their places with people who are paid nothing for their time and effort. It all seems very incongruous to me, but of course we are free to choose.
  19. Jesmond12

    Jesmond12 Star commenter

    Us too.

    It was my understanding that the volunteers are unpaid but the cafe staff are paid.
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  20. magic surf bus

    magic surf bus Star commenter

    Being slowly crushed to death was pretty extreme for allowing pot pourri in your house wasn't it? I mean torture and imprisonment OK, but there's a limit.

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