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Discussion in 'Thinking of teaching' started by Chellebean, Jul 23, 2008.

  1. Hey all,

    I am trying to weigh up the pros and cons of applying for the GTP in September!! Can any one help?

    Thanks in advance!
  2. Hey all,

    I am trying to weigh up the pros and cons of applying for the GTP in September!! Can any one help?

    Thanks in advance!
  3. jensmile

    jensmile New commenter

    Well I am on a GTP starting in September.
    I didnt apply for the PGCE, so can only give you in my opinion the pros and cons for GTP.

    - Salary of nearly £15,000
    - The chance to be a member of staff at one school (at my school I am a teacher from day one and will be doing all the duties of a teacher, just with some supervision)
    - Chance to start teaching earlier on in the course, also chance to be flexible in this to meet peoples work experience. A GTP gives more classroom experience than a PGCE.
    - In my case, where the DRB is a school rather than a uni, with about 20 people on the GTP course, there is a real friendly, team feel, which you may not get with a university.
    -Also there is a real chance you will get offered a job at your training school at the end. (although this may happen with PGCE placements, not sure)

    - Generally seen to be more competitive as there are much less spaces avaliable.
    - More on the job training, less theory based learning (although at mine, i do have one day a week of this)
    - Technically you dont get a qualification at the end, unlike a PGCE, you just get QTS. This may cause problems if you want to work in countries in Australia and NZ.

  4. Is GTP 2:1 or higher, or is that just Teach First?
  5. Thanks, for the advise! I really like the sound the idea of doing a GTP after it was suggested to me!
    Can you do it so that the second placement is in another subject, does anyone know? For example Maths as main and then Business or law as a second subject!

    Thanks again
  6. On the PGCE both placements (or even all three) are in the same subject. You might get the chance to moonlight in Citizenship, as I did.
  7. The PGCE I am looking at is new from UWE, it's a mixture of Maths and Business! But have been thinking lots about the GTP route, if the school i work at will let me do it with them. I just need to weigh up the pros and cons and email the local GTP tutor and see what he says! I do learn better on the job too which is an advantage for the GTP.

    Oh I am now so confused as to which route to take! :(
  8. WillowFae

    WillowFae New commenter

    Depending on your subject and age range then the GTP salary is not such a big pro. I'm doing PGCE RE Secondary which is a shortage subject and I will be getting about £40 a month less than I would on the GTP. Plus I get a council tax discount which I wouldn't on the GTP, and the option of loans, which I wouldn't on the GTP. Yes, there is a tuition fee loan to pay back, but actual money to live on during the training year, I am better off on the PGCE.
  9. Willow, can I ask which subject are you wanting to teach in?
  10. GTP is a fine way to train to be a teacher, and certainly suits some people betther than others. I think there are a few main issues that need to be addressed (there are plenty of other points, as already listed).
    a) You will have quite a heavy teaching workload almost from the beginning. Fine if you have been working in school (such as TA or better still, higher-grade TA) or have some real teaching experience (such as working abroad or in private schools), but many without such experience will probably find it quite daunting.
    b) Which leads to the next point - about the quality of support (help, advice, encouragement etc). On GTP it really depends on the individual school. Some schools are no doubt very good at it and what they do is of high quality - but there are many cases of trainees being unsupported or poorly helped and just left to sink or swim. On PGCE, in contrast, there is - or should be in place - a well-developed support structure which is shared between placement school and uni, and your uni tutor - whom you get to know very well because you see them every time you are back in uni - should help you out in case of difficulties or problems. And unlike on GTP, you aren't so 'wedded' to a particular school - you will have experience of at least two - and often more - schools (though you do spend some weeks at another school on GTP), so a mismatch may not be so traumatic.
    c) A blend between theory and practice. On GTP you have a rather limited time to spend on academic study and reflection, while on PGCE it's an integral part of it. Many on PGCE regard periods in uni, sandwiched between placements, as a breather, a time to stand back from the high-pressure atmosphere of a school to reflect on what they are doing and integrate theory with practice, so that theory informs your classroom practice, which in turns gives substance to what you study and research in. If what is called reflective practice is something you are into, maybe PGCE offers a better context than GTP (though RP should be a hallmark of every thinking teacher).
  11. I had the same dilemma as I got accepted on a GTP and also to Cambridge to do a PGCE. My subject is Seconadry Science.

    I decided to go the PGCE route even though I had 5 months classroom experience as a Cover Supervisor. The main reason for this is that I belive on the PGCE you get a much wider variety of training from various sources and different lecturers/teachers. On a GTP you have just the one mentor who is usually Head od Department within the school you are in. If you don't get on with them or you don't think they are a particularly good teacher then it is difficult for you.

    On the PGCE I am actually £2000 a year better off (although I will have a student loan to pay back) and I also get a £5000 golden hello after my first year as an NQT, which I would not have got on a GTP course.

    There is no guarentee of a job at the end og a GTP as you will supernumerary meaning that someone within the department will need to leave for a job to become available. If they do then you are in the right place at the right time. On a PGCE though you are in 2 schools and if you get on well you also have a double chance of getting a job if someone is leaving.

    Good Luck with your decision, you can always apply for both routes and then make a decision when you know more.
  12. Thanks Starbabe, sorry for the late reply!.

    My main concern is probably finanacial I guess. I had everything all planned out, which course I wanted to take and where I wanted to do it. Then I started reading posts about problems with placements and traveling and started to think again. I do want to do both Maths and Business and the only place that offers that is UWE but I don't want to face the problems that my placement schools will be to far away really, as I will be moving to Bristol from Oxford area! Does that make sense?
  13. My two main reasons for not doing to the GTP were:

    1. As far as I'm aware, and at all the ones I looked into, you can't specialise in modern foreign languages in primary on the GTP. For my PGCE I will do my second teaching practice abroad.

    2. You're not qualified to work in several countries abroad when you've completed the GTP, unlike the PGCE which enables you to do this.

    These were enough for me to chose the PGCE but everyone's different, and the GTP does have some benefits if you don't mind the above.
  14. WillowFae

    WillowFae New commenter

    Chellebean: I'm doing RE.

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