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GTP Student

Discussion in 'Primary' started by Delphi, Feb 11, 2011.

  1. Delphi

    Delphi New commenter

    I've been asked to have a GTP student in my class next year. Does anyone know what this entails? I know the person involved and have a few reservations......

    Any insights?
  2. I did the GTP and it's basically 'on the job training'. The GTP is paid a salary by the school (a small one!) and they spend the whole year with the mentor and class, except for one half term placement at a different school (usually the opposite Key Stage). By the Summer term the GTP should really be taking on the majority of the management of the class (under supervision). There are usually odd days release for training days but most of the time the GTP is in the class and teaching - there are no block Uni days like a PGCE.
    Hope this helps.
  3. Lara mfl 05

    Lara mfl 05 Star commenter

    I had a GTP student for the summer term last year. Being a middle school he just taught one of my classes for History & one for each of the other teachers. He had a mentor, who did all the paperwork, advice etc. As it happened he was a very able teacher & it was just a case of a 'qualified teacher' in the classroom just in case of any problems.
  4. I have been mentoring a GTP student this year and it's HARD WORK. I have previously really loved having PGCE and BEd students on placement but this was a different situation. They seem to have barely any training so you have to do it all. You also have to sit by and watch your class being taught by someone who doesn't know what they're doing - yes, you train them and help them get better but it takes time, a lot of time. Our student had had a term and a half in one class, then half a term in another school and then next term back in our school but in a different class. If you have reservations about this student then I'd say no. It worries me greatly that the government are pushing for 'on the job training' to replace university based courses, it's hard on the trainees as they're not getting regular input and discussion on best practice in a uni environment with specialist tutors and other trainees.
  5. pooped

    pooped New commenter

    I think like most things it depends on the person. We have a GTP student in our school and she is absolutely fantastic and her mentor raves about her. I have a PGCE student in my class and I am at the end of my tether and counting down the days, I feel like my class have lost put on 6 weeks of education. If you have reservations, is there anyone you can talk them over with?
  6. We had a TA in our school who decided to take the GTP route a couple of years ago. I was her mentor but she was not in my class so the class teacher had most input and we all got together once a week and I observed her lessons on a regular basis...she took other classes for music and those teachers also had an input...she went to college for quite a few lectures and really enjoyed meeting up with other students. We were lucky cos she was really into it and would help out in all areas of school life and she was a very good teacher!! She quickly got a job at the end of the year...it was a very positive experience for us all and we shared the workload..and we are only a small school! Go for it unless your doubts are personal/professional and you think you might have problems cos of this...good luck!!
  7. Delphi

    Delphi New commenter

    Thanks for these replies. Food for thought!
  8. I've had several GTP-ers. When they are good it's amazing, when they aren't it's hell! I know it's not that professional to say - but it also depends on how you get on with the trainee! I learnt alot from them, so it was good for my CPD (and I told them so)
    My main complaint is that although they have weekly training sessions most of the training is left to us, the class teachers. You are entitled to extra time to mentor them, don't get conned that its should be done out of school or in your PPA. The school received a small budget for that.
    If the trainee is starting from a good level and is receptive it is still hard work, but really rewarding. I found I put huge amounts of extra time in for the first term and a half. I had to plan, deliver and mark for all my normal lessons, but had to discuss everything I did. When it was her turn to plan and teach I spent ages supporting planning, then evaluating lessons. It was great having an extra member of staff in the classroom when I was teaching, but felt very on show and had to be "outstanding" all the time and justify everything I did.
    As the year progresses the GTP takes over more and more teaching. You don't have to observe them all the time, so I had more time to work with groups outside the classroom, update my subject policy, monitor and support elsewhere in the school, organise school trips without having to do it all in my own time. But there is still lots of paperwork to complete.
    The one time I had a weak trainee I felt so guilty for my class. The trainee was resistant to support and it worried me that with her teaching them almost fulltime for the whole of the summer term pupil progress would be limited. You want the best for the children and the trainee, but when they are convinced they are right because its how it was done in the school they used to be a TA in its really hard to move things forwards.
    Although I've decided against a GTP for the last two years, because of the above reasons I think it made me a better teacher. I had to be far more reflective and always had to set an example! I also learnt a lot about the class by observing them, rather than always teaching.
  9. Lara mfl 05

    Lara mfl 05 Star commenter

    are definitely 2 of the plusses to having a student, especially for those of us whose training was a long time ago. Young teachers have so many fresh ideas.

  10. Three out of four GTPs have been older than me! [​IMG] It can prove interesting in the dynamics at times. But you are right; new, fresh ideas are great. It's so easy to get in a rut!
  11. Delphi

    Delphi New commenter

    I've also loved having pgce and BEds in the past. In fact the 3rd year student I have now is brilliant. But I have a feeling that the person in question is going to find it hard to take direction and does not have a realistic view of how much work is involved in teaching, and in the GTP itself, hence my reservations.
    Thanks for all these comments - I now have a clearer picture of things. I think I've made my decision! Just hope it won't cause problems.
  12. I was a GTP about 5 years ago, and have since been involved with GTP students, but never as their main class teacher or mentor.
    I think there's a lot of truth in the previous poster saying "when they're good, they're fantastic, but when they're not, it's a nightmare."
    However, one poster said that their student knew very little and it was painful to watch them teach the class - this is because it is the <u>school's</u> job to train the student. The school signs an agreement to give the student a training - the student should never end up in front of the class clueless. There will be the same issues you have with other students, but nothing too different.
    What you end up with, is a well-rounded NQT who is well placed to cope with the year ahead. They will have a better understanding of how a school operates.
    If you're not prepared to commit to the student (which, by the way, I totally understand - I'm not sure I'd be able to take that on on top of everything else), then don't.
    giggle. xx

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