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GTP for over 40s?

Discussion in 'Trainee and student teachers' started by Mark_Dv, Jan 3, 2012.

  1. Hi - new to the forum. I'm considering a radical career change and from what I have been reading a GTP would be the ideal solution for getting into teaching, also considering I'm ...over 40(!) . .with responsibilities.
    Just wondering if there are any others here in my situation or who began a GTP as "mature" students, or any other feedback. I would be interested in Modern Langs btw,

  2. Hi - new to the forum. I'm considering a radical career change and from what I have been reading a GTP would be the ideal solution for getting into teaching, also considering I'm ...over 40(!) . .with responsibilities.
    Just wondering if there are any others here in my situation or who began a GTP as "mature" students, or any other feedback. I would be interested in Modern Langs btw,

  3. I'm on a GTP and would highly recommend it as the best way to get into teaching. However, things are being changed, and I'm not sure whether it will still be GTP in 2013 (which is probably the earliest you'd be able to start). Also, it is really competitive, and you'll need some classroom experience before applying. Regarding your age - there are quite a few over 40s on the same course as me with Derby Uni, so I wouldn't worry about it too much as a factor. Good luck!
  4. Herringthecat

    Herringthecat New commenter

    I am 40 - will be 41 in May - and am hoping to start a mod lang GTP in September.

    It does seem to be very up-in-the-air what is happening with the GTP and if you want a Sept 2012 start you will need to get a move on finding schools etc. The provider I'm applying for closes applications in mid February and I had my formal interview at the school in November.

    Welcome to contact me off-list to talk more, and compare notes, if you like.
  5. Over 40! I am 51 and applying for a GTP. I thought my age be a hinderance but I have been told that not so. I have had 8 yrs working in a Secondary school as a TA and now as a Cover Supervisor having just graduated from Uni this summer. I have applied for a Sept 2012 start only awaiting to find out which schools will be offering places. They will not know until end of Jan, that is how it works in Kent anyway. Good luck to you go for it you are a lot younger than me so why not!!! give it up for the more mature student. I would imagine many more may be considering a career change into teaching. It is hard work going through the application process you have to be determined and persistant. Send or write to as many schools as you can as I did, its worth it at least they get to know your name!! Good Luck.
  6. mmm...Milk

    mmm...Milk New commenter

    If you have a job at the moment, I would not give it up. Yes, the GTP is a good way into teaching if you have "responsiblities" but the problem is getting a job on completion. Please think really hard about this and look at the unemployed / job seekers / supply teachers forums and see how bad it is. Moniotor the amount of MFL jobs in your area - what is the competition like? There will be 100s applying for 1 job.
    In my experiance ( I was 38 when I completed) Age is a barrier - because a lot of employers are looking for young people who can be moulded into their department. Life experiance (esp by the time you hit our age)seems to actually be going against you. I still havent got a long term post, I haven't even started my NQT year.

    Please, think VERY, VERY carfully before you make any huge decisions. I realise that things change, but in the current climate, the chances of getting a job are so small, and I would not advise any one to take the chance. The only shortages in teaching are of jobs.
  7. Hi I am on a GTP course currently and have similar criteria to yourself ie over 40(!) . with responsibilities, after 20+ years experience in industry so I am in the process of career morphing. So yes there are such people out there! My specialist subject is science .
    I chose the GTP based on criteria of maximum classroom exposure, financial factors, suitability for career change, and likelihood of securing a position after the course. You will need to get a move on if you want to apply for September 2012. It will give you the majority of a year in your main school, plus 6 weeks in a second, so you should treat it as a year long interview. Having said that the school may not have a place for GTP after you finish (best ask about previous track record for GTPs) or you might not want to stay on in that school. As you will have doubtlessly read, it is an enormous amount of work so don’t plan on doing much else during that year especially with mid-life responsibilities. It will be a roller coaster ride, sometimes you think you could make a brilliant teacher, other times you ask yourself why you are doing this at all. Try and spend some time in different schools so that you are sure that’s what you really want to do.

  8. I agree with you with regard to hanging on to the job you have now ! I qualified as a secondary teacher of MFL French and German in July 2008 (after a career change from industry at the age of 40) and I havn't yet found a position to start my NQT year. I don't want to give up my present job and salary to risk working for an agency in the hope that they will find me placements. It's too risky as I need an income. So much for schools crying out for languages and I am fluent in French having lived out there as a child! Studying the GTP was the hardest thing that I have ever done....studying, teaching every day in a secondary school and supporting a family trying to give some time to my 2 boys. I told my husband that if I was going to do this he would have to support me as I would work during the day and then spend all evening and hours well into the night analysing my lessons, preparing lessons and making resources and full weekends doing the same. My husband was a great support ! The staff looking after me made me work very hard and only held my mentor meetings after school to discuss what I had to teach the following day. There was no forward planning on their part. They were not supported by the school and had not been allocated any free time to mentor me. I had to keep up with all the paperwork on my own and inform everyone at school about the course itself as they had all done PGCE and knew very little about the GTP (particularly all the termly reports and other documents that had to be done and signed). I also had to beg for observations to be done or else I would fall down on my paperwork. Information about 'hitting the standards' drilled at me all the time and very little help and advice given. I was in control of my own course with very little back up. Then the extra pressure of assignments and skills' tests (my biggest worry).
    I believe that you are a threat to teaching staff when you have hit 40 especially if you are a career changer and have been in industry and seen the world. You naturally have experience, extra knowledge and confidence that they do not have as they have never left school (very sad) You do not 'fit into a box' if you share all this with them and it is easier to mould a younger person into the role. Who knows but they might be threatened by all your knowledge and fear for their own jobs because you may be better at it than them.
    I started working with children at nursery, progressed to playgroup, worked as a self employed primary teacher of French and then had to accept the role of Cover Supervisor in secondary after gaining QTS. I gained my first qualification working as an assistant achieving HLTA status which was a very enjoyable job but the pay was very low. I then gained a place on a GTP course because Languages was a 'shortage subject' and the 'Golden Hello' was a thing of the times. My problem is that all schools and the government now rate Spanish above German although Germany is still a 'power house' and world leader in business. Spanish is more a holiday language. I have so much experience in the classroom and do actually think that I am a good teacher. I am now learning Spanish at night school at 45.
    Teachers are a certain breed ! The GTP idea was to provide more mature students with a career change and a path into teaching and at the same time offer schools a different kind of teacher who knew more about the 'outside world'...who could contribute more to lessons and provide the kids with a more mature approach to learning. Most teachers are fearful of this. I apologize if I sound cynical, but I have alot to offer in terms of teaching......Fluency in French, sporty, musical, a list of qualifications and courses attended as long as my arm. I have a good sense of humour, work hard, meticulous to detail, organised, as I used to be a tri-lingual PA to chairmen and Managing Directors. Communication with adults and students is easy. I have applied for so many jobs (each application taking 4 hours) and although I have had some interviews still no permanent job to get my NQT year done. I want to know why you can be good enough to pass your NQT year but not good enough to get an NQT placement ? My present job is pretty well paid, I have good school holidays and I work 08.30 til 15.00 with no extra work. I cover all lessons and mostly language lessons. One part of me says 'Oh what the hell' I will just stay put.....the other part of me says ' I should be a proper teacher by now and I am wasted just doing cover and I have so much to offer '.
    Think very carefully........I agree...........There just are very few TEACHING JOBS. I would ideally need a job near home but I am unable to relocate due to my husband's job and the children as my boys are in year 8 and year 11. If you don't have any family commitments then perhaps you could apply to other jobs all over the world or relocate. I might just call it a day and when the boys no longer need help with their homework I might just do come private tuition.
    One more thing ! I recently applied for a job to do 2 terms of my NQT year. It was only temporary and they were to readvertise the job in January for a full time position. The girl who got it had Spanish and French and she had already done her NQT year. She was completing the job application form the day before the interview when the deadline was the previous week and she was redoing her job specification on the school computer during the day of the interview....and she did very little preparation for the job interview, brought no resources to school except a memory stick and her handbag and she photocopied 2 copies of her lesson plan for the lesson observation on the morning of the interview using the school photocopier. When I mentioned that the deadline for the job application was last week to the Head.....she said 'Oh was it ? I didn't know. What a fix ??? she obviously knew who was getting the job before I walked in.
    If anyone presently recruiting is reading then please don't waste our time and effort ! Just recruit from within or just take on board who you want. Don't waste money with an advert in the paper and build up our hopes only to slash them afterwards by a stupid comment like 'oh well you are only a Cover Supervisor' So much for equal opportunities. Schools....you are the worst !!!!! Out of order !!!!!
    My advice........Keep your jobs in industry

  9. mmm...Milk

    mmm...Milk New commenter

    Whats the subject?
  10. I went into teaching as a mature student (well over 40!) but was fortunate to be able to take the SCITT route into teaching which was perfect for me. The ITT provider I was with also provided a GTP route but there were fewer places on that and it was very difficult to get into. However, they found schools for the GTs so trainees didn't have to organise that. That way the centre and the schools already had a good relationship and communication system.
    I have read a few horror stories about the support provided to schools by the ITT provider and by schools to trainees so it is worth really looking around to get a good one. However, as with anything that is good, places are fiercely fought for.
    If you could offer an afternoon free to a school to help out in the languages department it is a good way to build up your reputation. A reference from a Head Teacher can make the world of difference to getting on a course and even getting a job at the end of it.
    Good luck!

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