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Discussion in 'Personal' started by dunnocks, Sep 20, 2018.
Yeah, I realised that after I posted.
Just tell the b 's where leaving .The Eu has no intention of helping so just get out,do what needs to be do and gie on with repairing any damage and make us prosperous.Plese don't give me the carp that Corbyn will either,,,,his programme is one of making all folks equally rich and spend ,spend in true left wing ways.If not him his right hand man who seems to speak more than Corbyn and desire the private incentive is their to fead a socilist programme!
As to Boris in charge god help us.the true clown takes centre stage..beside he is being entertained by his new lover at the moment!
I still think if Tories were to chose a new leader it should be a woman...they are usually better at putting up with Macho wanna be leaders and telling them where to stick thier plot!
I think Tories are too busy worrying about who shall lead rather than negotiationg our country into the heady highlands of freedom away from the lowlands of dismal comformity of the EU!
Maybe you should do the job?
Why should they help? We sleepwalked into this mess. Their priority is the nations of the EU. They have no reason to compromise unless they will also benefit.
Just wondering how / if the rest of the UK would have 'helped' Scotland if their referendum had resulted in Independence - if such 'help' would have disadvantaged the remainder of the UK.
It's farcical. She invoked Article 50 with no idea of how to manage the Irish border question and she's blaming the EU for not having the answer.
We sleepwalked into the EU.
We tried many times to get into the EEC. It took years of effort to succeed.
Why does she need to manage the Irish border? It's the EU who want a border there, not the UK.
Of course, because it is the EU who say they can't manage without a border.
The EEC is not the EU.
We did not! Thatcher agreed with a lot of it! Gosh! Know your history!
And you see that as a recommendation for the EU?
Great, let's go with no border. That way all the EU migrants who still have free movement into Eire can cross the border into GBNI fadhb ar bith.
Not to mention the goods.
Nope but you said we didn’t know what we were doing. Thatcher et al did.
It is a consequence of a decision made by the UK Government. The NI border will change status from being a border internal to the EU to an external border to the EU. The UK Government then wants to stick its head in the sand and deny the problem.
Someone has to be the adult here and, at the moment, it isn't the UK Government.
Exactly. It's an EU border. They need to decide what to do about it.
Michel Barnier says he is working on a technological solution, which I'm sure will be considered once his suggestions are published.
Oh yes, then what is it? Many of the changes that have happened in the EU over the last 40 or so years have happened as a result the influence and active support of successive UK Governments.
But if you look back at what the EEC looked like in the 50's and 60's when the UK was being blocked from joining by de Gaulle, you will see it is pretty much like the present. The idea of political union was enshrined from the start.
Indeed they did..May i still think is a remainer and so struggles to stand up and say S .d off We can not accept a majority verdict as the intellectuals think the 'unlwashed,liars etc' did the dirty on them and failed to understand all the seemingly good arguements put forward for remaining...even to suggestions of how wonderful the whole of the continent will be as a unified state of the EU.
Yes, we sleep walked as to honest no one expected the result we got and so it had to be thought out as they went.
Of course the EU has no intent to let the fat cash cow go,it had no intent to remotly pander to anther country daring to leave and break its 4 defined freedoms.They simply said this is what they want and if you dont comply then is no go or deal.They walk a tightrope as well as ourselves,and time will tell if their plans are as secure as they think
By now we should have made our minds up we want this and nothing less,,not the pussyfooting around of politicains who seem more concerned to be leaders rather than innovators.Or sit on the side line unwilling to comment, such as Corbyn ,other than some vague gestures of support or none supprt for such a move.
Once you have made your mind up to do something the worst thing to do is not do it ,and by jove are they failing to get there with the different versions put forward to pacify the EU which of course can say....no good,poor,not acceptable etc.Why do we pacify others all the while?This is an issue of soverignty, not just trade.If we want to be free then its worth bearing the cost I feel..even as we have done over the last 50-60 years.
I have no concern about EUrope as a set of nations,only over who rules us...and I certainly do not want beurocrats in Europe telling me all I should do. I still believe in the people of Britain,even as some in here seem to assume they are failures for failing to recognise the hoy ploy views when voting.I dodnt belive in comprimise if you thnk the issue is important and for me the issue of freedon is important.The rest are smoke screens,and assumes al the folks who voted leave really did believe all the gubbage put out by both sides in the vote.
Which is what currently happens. Why? Because there are no border checks.
In other words, it would be no different.