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GP's salary claim

Discussion in 'Scotland - education news' started by gnulinux, Mar 3, 2011.

  1. gnulinux

    gnulinux Occasional commenter

    In the face of an attack on pay and conditions in the Teaching profession, GP's are going for a 25% pay increase. Apparently they can't get by on a mere £80,000 a year. This is unashamed greed. If it wasn't for teachers they would not have got a foot in the door of their so-called profession. Anti-depressants anyone???
  2. Dominie

    Dominie New commenter

    Let's not play the management "beggar my neighbour" game! If GPs are worth £80k then a basic salary of £40k for a teacher with a degree and a postgraduate education qualification is more than reasonable. I know a few teachers with medic partners. They met at uni doing comparable academic courses.
    That;s the positive point we should be making.
  3. gnulinux

    gnulinux Occasional commenter

    What??? This is not a personal attack on your mates whoever they are. This is just unashamed greed. Personally I don't think GP's are worth £80,000 or £100,000 (that's adding the 25%). And this has nothing to do with management games!!!
  4. kibosh

    kibosh Star commenter

  5. Dominie

    Dominie New commenter

    Good grief. Calm down. I didn't take it as a personal attack on my mates. They're not mates, merely colleagues.

    I was simply pointing out that this kind of sniping at other groups of workers (and yes, GPs are fellow workers and most are hard working and better qualified than teachers) is counter productive.

    We need to get the public on our side and attacking the family doctor is not the way to do it. I'd remind you also that the support of their GPs is essential for those teachers whose health has been degraded by the stresses of the job.
  6. I have mixed feelings about this. In general, I don't think sniping at other workers is the way to go. But I do think that high salaries/earnings have become a big problem for our society. Average earnings in Glasgow (according to the most recent figures I can find) are currently £25,602. UK average for men is £30,173 and for women £23,462. Yes, I was surprised by the gender gap too. The point is that once people are earning more than twice the average you get an increasingly unequal society in which most people are playing catch-up. Big expenses like house prices (for buying and also for rental) become distorted. Groups effectively opt out at the top end - pobably the biggest obstacle to an inclusive society is not the poor, it's the rich losing touch with everyone else. I'm not arguing about whether any individual doctor is or isn't worth the money, and I do think there has to be some differential, to take account of a long period of unpaid study. What I'd really like to know is what proportion of public sector workers earn more than £80,000 and what proportion of the total salary bill that accounts for - and how that would be changed if GPs' salaries were to increase by 25%.
  7. Honestly...never heard such tripe in my life.
    Scenario - my child cannot breathe - must be an obstruction in the airways. Will I call a doctor, or his teacher?
    Get over yourself ***!!
    Yes teaching is an important job - but no way is it up there with doctors/surgeons/police... get real. Astonoshed by this post. Can you please take your head out of your a**e...

  8. heldon

    heldon Occasional commenter

    lollipop man?
  9. It's not the politics of envy, it's the politics of anger and of morality. GPs are far from being the biggest problem here, but a society that tolerates vast gaps between rich and poor is not sustainable in the long run, and we should all be quite a lot angrier about large salaries than we are.
    Using that logic, society would pay its largest salaries to those in occupations where lives are put at risk. So train and bus drivers, with the potential to kill people in large numbers, need to be near the top. As would construction workers, lorry drivers and so on. Maybe not a bad thing. And who would die if Colin Firth never made another film or Graham Norton never interviewed another guest? No-one as far as I know, but they both take home a fair whack.
    The world (yes I mean world, not just Scotland) would be a much better place if salaries were capped at, say, two and a half times the average. Read the Spirit Level.
  10. Thanks for the intelligent reply Sparky - makes a change on this site.

    I do agree with you - some good points made.
  11. sbf

    sbf New commenter

    No doubt Alanis Morissette could make something of your replys.

    Average GP salaries across the UK are 3 times teachers, and some GP earn well over 200k a year, that a simple fact.
    Now maybe in your world they are worth it but im not so sure.
    The only reason they are now earning serious money is due to Mr Blair.
    You say you have a friend who is a GP, well surprise surprise your not the only one, and the 3 close friends of mine who are GPs are great people, very smart, earn well over 3 times what i do and all think that teachers are underpaid.
    FYI. I have never NEVER used a GP for an emergency. Thats what A&E are for. If you are in a life of death situation i suggest you go there, as your GP no longer does out of hours.

  12. Politics of envy from a loser - drap deid - and then call a teacher to save your life...
  13. And obviously my GP mate is as greedy as yours GP mates...people are not as nasty as you are - don't judge others from your own prejudice...
  14. Proffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffession.

    You are an idiot, and I do feel sorry for you. Topically, what use would you be in Japan now? Horrible disaster. I think Japan needs doctors, firemen, paramedics, police - what use would you be with your silly wee teaching "skills" - get real, and take your head out of your a**e once again.
  15. You are talking absolute nonsense and you know it. Withdraw, and pluck your head from your nether regions.
    Never heard such nonsense in my life.
  16. I would suggest that we all ignore 'stupidmove'.
    If there is a thread that warrants more discussion and 'sm' does their usual then perhaps we should leave the original and start a new discussion.

  17. Oh dear, oh dear. Yes, Japan may need doctors, firemen etc - and what do those people who aspire to those positions need? Teachers, of course!

    It's called society. You know, that place where people need to work together - not be blinded by the green mist of jealousy.
  18. Ok - let's get to the root of the discussion - there is no such thing as education. Too much for you? Away and cry into your teacher planners. It's the white elephant in the room!

  19. I have to say, I've watched this thread with bemusement.I am particularly entertained by the fact that every instance of 'needing a doctor' suggested by stupidmove is an example of where a specialist is required, not a GP. That's right, a hospital doctor, a very different entity to a general practitioner.Some very basic research would show that what the GPs are now asking for is ridiculous both economically and professionally. Purse strings within secondary and tertiary care centres (hospitals to you and me) are being continually tightened, yet the GPs want more money in primary care for what is, essentially, bureacracy and gatekeeping; more money for doing less than they have done in years. They don't want to do out-of hours? Fine, but if they are demanding more money for less, then how are the extra staff in the out-of-hours centres, A&E and Acute Admissions Units to be funded? Because that's where these people need to go when the GP won't work after 5pm.Work load is not the only glaring discrepancy in this pay claim; there is also a huge question of training and expertise. GP training takes 4 years to get to GP Consultant status; even a hospital-based generalist will take a minimum of 6 years training, stretching to 8-9 years for specialists and sub-specialists. GPs already earn more than their specialist counterparts, both in terms of top line salary and in terms of whole-of-life earning (because of the differential in training times). Is it REALLY justifiable to be pay even more money to GPs whose bread and butter is sick lines, blood pressure checks and repeat prescriptions when they already earn more than the neonatologist whose bread and butter is bilirubin therapies, ventilation, parenteral feeding and fighting for every single second of a premature baby's life?I will agree with stupidmove, in that a pay comparison with teachers is inappropriate - they are very different jobs with very different impacts on society. However both deserve to be respected and treated as the professions they are.However, if he/she is going to argue the entitlement of GPs to these ridiculous demands they should, at least, appropriately contextualise the demands within their own profession.L_M.xx
  20. jonowen

    jonowen Occasional commenter

    Well said Lady-M.
    I think stupidmove has been here before but under another name? Best ignored, and for his own sake, as his blood pressure seems to be rising!
    At the risk of more verbal abuse Stupidmove, as you semm to detest teachers I assume you are not a member of our profession - what is your job title?

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