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Government considering compulsory vaccines

Discussion in 'Personal' started by Guest, Sep 29, 2019.

  1. Nellyfuf2

    Nellyfuf2 Senior commenter

    Yes and get that small but significant group vaccinated as well. Why leave them exposed to mortal danger? !?
    It's wrong.
  2. Nellyfuf2

    Nellyfuf2 Senior commenter

    Which government is this?
  3. Nellyfuf2

    Nellyfuf2 Senior commenter

    Speaking at the event organised by the Huffington Post, Mr Hancock said: "I'm very worried about falling rates of vaccinations - especially measles.
  4. Doglover

    Doglover Occasional commenter

    If everyone else vaccinated their children, the small but significant number of children who can’t be vaccinated for good reason, wouldn’t need to be.
  5. Duke of York

    Duke of York Star commenter

    I'm with everyone who thinks compulsory vacination is a good idea, but I'll toss a spanner into the discussion to see what happens.

    When the horse meat scandal came to light, the lesson we learned was that although strict measures were in place to control the labeling and quality of of food, they weren't adequate enough to prevent kids being fed horse instead of cow.

    Nobody has been said to have died as a consequence, but what would happen if a mix up over the vacine somehow occurred, either accidentally, or intentionally?

    Those of a certain age will remember the Thalidamide tragedy and its consequences. It took decades to identify the cause of the deformities and get redress for the victims.

    Who would be held responsible if a tragedy occurred as a consequence of compulsory vacination?
  6. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    The answer to your question is the same as would happen now when vaccines are strongly recommended and urged, not compulsory. That is, those who failed to ensure the vaccines are safe would be prosecuted.

    FWIW Thalidomide was being used around 60 years ago; the laws have been changed since then.
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  7. Nellyfuf2

    Nellyfuf2 Senior commenter

    Why don't we just vaccinate the small but significant number of children who are permitted to get away with not being jabbed? Surely a particular vaccine could be invented just for them?

    Then it would not matter if some other children were not vaccinated.
  8. blazer

    blazer Star commenter

    They have not thought this thing through:D
  9. Nellyfuf2

    Nellyfuf2 Senior commenter

    This one is not going to be compulsory -
    Schoolchildren will no longer be immunised against tuberculosis after public health experts decided the vaccination programme has little impact on control of the disease, the government said today.

    The chief medical officer, Sir Liam Donaldson, announced that the £10m vaccination programme, offered to all children aged 10-14, is to be dropped because schoolchildren are at lowest risk of contracting tuberculosis (TB).
  10. Mangleworzle

    Mangleworzle Star commenter

    TB vaccines for all in schools ended in 2005.
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  11. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    This is the phone in on R5Live at the moment.
  12. Owennnn

    Owennnn Occasional commenter

    That's the point, their immune systems physically cannot handle the act of being immunised, so they rely on everybody else being immune to prevent the disease ever spreading to the vulnerable individuals.
    monicabilongame likes this.
  13. dumpty

    dumpty Star commenter

    Anyone know why it is we cannot invent a vaccine that works without needing this utopian herd immunity ideal?
  14. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    This might help...


    NB There are always some children who can't be given a particular vaccine for medical reasons (e.g. some are allergic). They rely on 'herd immunity' to protect them.
    Grandsire likes this.
  15. nomad

    nomad Star commenter

    Because a very small but significant number of people are allergic to one or more of the vaccine constituents such as aluminium, pork gelatin, chicken/egg albumin, formaldehyde, etc.
  16. BelleDuJour

    BelleDuJour Star commenter

    Agree................because doctors know better in this case than parents.
    A huge percentage of the UK population has little/no understanding of what a vaccine is and how it works, yet read anti-vac propaganda on social media and believe it.
    Sadly the vast majority of parents of baies/young children have never witnessesd the devastating effects of polio, measles, diptheria, whooping cough and other diseases because vaccination is so effective.
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  17. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    Heard a mother who phoned i earlier today - she had her first child vaccinated, but then got worried due to stories she heard. So she 'researched' vaccines (e.g. used google etc) and became worried, esp. about the use of 'live' vaccines and some of the chemicals used in making them... She decided not to have any further children vaccinated.

    Then the Government, following medical advances, decided to change the make up of some vaccines, actually answering the concerns this mother had. But she still didn't get her next child vaccinated; why not? 'Because the government changed their mind'! She just didn't get it, that scientific advice changes as knowledge is gained...o_O

    Having listened to her, I think serious consideration has to be given to taking the question of vaccination out of the hands of parents in such cases...
  18. dumpty

    dumpty Star commenter

    Yes but the reality is they cannot do so. We do not insist visitors to the UK are vaccinated and we do not insist all teens and adults are fully up to date with vaccines, either.

    Point being for children who are allergic they are probably mixing with teachers and staff who are not vaccinated (in that they are not up to date with shots) - and that is before they start walking around shops, malls and playgrounds.

    Forcing all kids to be vaccinated may help the odds of those with allergies to vaccines but arguably not much in the wider scope of things.
  19. BelleDuJour

    BelleDuJour Star commenter

    Great little film....
  20. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    We can insist on UK citizens and all those attending UK schools are vaccinated.

    And if you had a child who was allergic to vaccines you would want herd immunity to be preserved.

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