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"Girls are skipping school to avoid sharing gender neutral toilets with boys" - article.

Discussion in 'Education news' started by FrankWolley, Oct 6, 2019.

  1. catherinedavid

    catherinedavid New commenter

    That doesn't mean we have to have gender neutral toilets though does it?!?!
     
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  2. catherinedavid

    catherinedavid New commenter

    The DM is full of transphobic junk?!? Really? I cannot say I have spotted any and I read it daily......!
     
  3. catherinedavid

    catherinedavid New commenter

    That is exactly what I would like to know: who funds this rubbish?!?
     
  4. catherinedavid

    catherinedavid New commenter

    Common sense prevailed!!!
     
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  5. catherinedavid

    catherinedavid New commenter

    There is no need to talk like that! All we want is to have our own toilets that shows respect and dignity to the different sexes. It is as simple as that!
     
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  6. catherinedavid

    catherinedavid New commenter

    It is hindering the matter!
     
  7. Stiltskin

    Stiltskin Lead commenter

    So do you think disabled toilets should be gendered?
     
  8. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter


    In my experience toilets for the disabled (e.g. ones with wheelchair access etc) are normally single, so the outside door can be locked and the sink is in the same space as the toilet. The problem many girls feel with 'unisex' toilets is that the area outside the stalls (which may or may not have 'full' floor to ceiling doors) is that the space outside, where hand basins are, is 'shared'.

    If all toilets were like those for the disabled, single with lockable outside doors, there wouldn't be a problem. But it would be very expensive, I suspect, to provide this. Cheaper to have separate toilets for boys and girls.
     
  9. Stiltskin

    Stiltskin Lead commenter

    They don't have to be though. We have both single-sex toilets and in a newer building unisex toilets. Each of these is its own room, with lockable door, toilet and sink/mirror. Cost of putting these in was no different than having a shared sink area but actually takes up less space overall.
     
  10. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter


    The key word there may be 'newer'. Many school buildings aren't.

    But have you actually monitored use of the unisex toilets by both male & female pupils, and conducted customer surveys to see if (say) girls like them as much as the single sex ones?
     
  11. Stiltskin

    Stiltskin Lead commenter

    No surveys, however, they many students of both sexes will choose to go to these rather than single-sex. They stay a lot cleaner than the single sex ones (especially boys).
     
  12. alex_teccy

    alex_teccy Established commenter

    What happens when the boys wee everywhere. Mens and boys toilets are considerably more disgusting than girls. They also smash them up more and leave the taps running "for a joke".
     
  13. Stiltskin

    Stiltskin Lead commenter

    It's been two years and this has not happened yet. When it does I'll let you know.
     
  14. alex_teccy

    alex_teccy Established commenter

    Okay so you think that in general boys toilets are no worse than girls? Is this borne out by your experience?
     
  15. Stiltskin

    Stiltskin Lead commenter

    No that isn't what I said.

    Single sex male toilets are usually much worse than female. From my experience so far, unisex toilets do not get into the same state as male only toilets. Perhaps this is due to only one person using them at a time so there is no audience to play to? Perhaps someone could do some research into it.
     
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  16. Doitforfree

    Doitforfree Star commenter

    It's probably because the girls have to do a degree of cleaning up before they use them.
     
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  17. alex_teccy

    alex_teccy Established commenter

    Sure. I just don't see the boys putting the seat down or even taking the trouble to lift them up before they wee all over them :rolleyes:.
    I wonder about the level of risk staff - and children- are exposing themselves to.
     
  18. garyconyers

    garyconyers New commenter

    We have unisex toilets at my school. Each has 6 fully-enclosd cubicles and a wash area opposite the cubicles. Staff have to use them, too.

    It felt weird at first to wash my hands next to any pupil, especially girls, but no one seems bothered by it.

    Not sure what all the fuss is about, really.
     
  19. garyconyers

    garyconyers New commenter

    This is my experience at my school.
     
  20. englishtt06

    englishtt06 Occasional commenter

    Many, many years ago when backpacking I cleaned for my bed and board in a youth hostel. The women's showers and toilets were always worse than the men's!

    In ref. to the main point - like other posters have noted, my previous school had single sex and unisex bathrooms: no issues at all; despite what sensationalist newspapers may prefer otherwise.
     

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