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"Girls are skipping school to avoid sharing gender neutral toilets with boys" - article.

Discussion in 'Education news' started by FrankWolley, Oct 6, 2019.

  1. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    Are Unisex toilets a health risk to girls? Apparently yes...


    Gender-neutral toilets in schools have left girls feeling unsafe and even put their health at risk, parents and teachers have warned.

    Girls who are menstruating are so anxious about sharing facilities with boys that some are staying at home for fear of being made to feel 'period shame'.

    With a growing number of both primary and secondary schools installing unisex toilets, some girls are risking infections by refusing to urinate all day.

    Others are so fearful they have stopped drinking liquids at school.
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  2. blue451

    blue451 Lead commenter

    The sooner/younger that boys get used to the fact that girls mensutrate and there's nothing wrong or unclean about it, the better.
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  3. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    I agree. But are unisex toilets helping with that, or hindering it?
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  4. harpplayer

    harpplayer Occasional commenter

    Yet another example, if any were needed, of why UK state schools have lost the plot, why behaviour is often terrible and why teachers are voting with their feet. The politically correct lunatic “management” teams have taken over the asylum and wrapped teachers in schools up in a mountain of nonsensical lefty rubbish when each new piece of “research” comes out, instead of just focusing on teaching, learning, supporting teachers, setting clear strict rules for students and getting on with being a school.

    Unisex toilets for youngsters? We had them in my school when I worked in the UK in the main area. Nearly everyone used to walk to the other side of the school to use the single sex ones or pop home at lunchtime to use their bog at home if they could! They are horrible and disgusting inventions that defy any common sense. For young boys and girls, it is asking for serious trouble.
  5. Jamvic

    Jamvic Lead commenter

    ‘It is permissible for toilet and boarding accommodation facilities to be separate as they are captured under existing statutory exceptions. Separate toilet and washing facilities must be provided for boys and girls aged 8 years and over pursuant to Regulation 4 of the School Prem (England) Regulations 2012, which falls within the exemption provided for in Schedule 22 of the Equality Act 2010. With regards to boarding accommodation, Schedule 23 of the Equality Act 2010 allows for separation by sex providing the same standard of accommodation is provided for both boys and girls.’

    Above is Section 13 of relevant DfE guidance. Does anyone know why the section I’ve highlighted in bold (especially the underlined part) doesn’t make unisex loos in secondary schools untenable and maybe illegal?

  6. BillyBobJoe

    BillyBobJoe Established commenter

    I doubt any school only has unisex toilets and, as such, the mail is full of transphobic junk. Again.
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  7. Corvuscorax

    Corvuscorax Star commenter

    I've seen the most horrendous intimidation of young women in unisex toilets in a university, So nasty that one of the girls withdrew her UCAS application
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  8. Robfreeman

    Robfreeman Occasional commenter

    I was at one school on supply a few years back that had only unisex toliets or disabled toilets. I worked at a school where one member of staff was shocked that all the toilets weren't unisex as the ones at her previous school was.

    I know of a couple more new builds which appear to only have unisex toilets.

    Also having read the article I can find nothing which is transphobic can you direct me to the relevant section please.
  9. Lalad

    Lalad Star commenter

    This was entirely predictable and has nothing to do with transphobia.

    Girls and boys should have separate toilet facilities that respect the biological differences between the sexes.

    As an adult woman, and for a number of reasons, I do not want to go into a unisex toilet and find myself in the same space as adult men using the other cubicles. I would have found this excruciatingly embarrassing as a young girl/ teenager and can fully understand why girls who find themselves having to use the same toilet space as boys are drinking less and even staying off school during periods as a result.
  10. alex_teccy

    alex_teccy Established commenter

    Or perhaps because boys and girls do behave differently, and contrary to what we told to believe these differences are not entirely socialised.
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  11. alex_teccy

    alex_teccy Established commenter

    You're quite right. At some point, we we're all with the program. Then something happens to us, or to someone we know, that suddenly makes us realise that we're in a bitter culture war.
  12. ScienceGuy

    ScienceGuy Established commenter

    My school had some unisex toilets installed as part of a new build. After the predictable, parental complaints were received, one floor was changed to boys, the other for girls
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  13. Marshall

    Marshall Star commenter

    I wouldn't use a unisex toilet - I don't even like cubicles that that open at the top and bottom!
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  14. Ex-teacher

    Ex-teacher Occasional commenter

    At my last establishment, we had two new blocks built, both with unisex toilets.

    Staff noted (mainly by observation because they were always pristine!) that students weren't using them, but going to other blocks with single sex toilets.

    Within a term or two, new, BIG signs went up. The uni sex toilets became single sex, boys using the upstairs, girls the downstairs. Even that didnt really work as they were in a space off the corridor, not contained by their own door. (Does that make sense? Imagine a classroom off the corridor.... the classroom was filled with toilet cubicles, but the room door was removed.)

    Not sure what happens there now... probably store cupboards!
  15. drek

    drek Lead commenter

    single sex and possibly add a third category for transgender.
    Definitely would avoid unisex toilets simply for inconsistencies in hygiene standards including smell, between the genders.

    Contributes no doubt to people holding themselves until they can reach single gender ones!

    Apart from that leaving 16 - 18 year olds of one gender with year 7s and 8s of another on their own in the toilets is asking for trouble.........and we are short staffed particularly in schools where all sorts are more likely to occur.

    Who funds these ill thought out utopian ideas?
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  16. neddyfonk

    neddyfonk Lead commenter

    Where will it all end ? Youngsters with gender phobia claiming they fear being in the same room with a different group? Vegans insisting they cannot bear the thought of a meat eater sitting near them? Insisting all equipment / toilets are sterilized after each use for fear of getting someone elses bacteria ? Refusing to being in the same room as a pupil of teacher with B.O., bad breath or smelly wind ?
    I knew a lad that consumed a lot of mushy peas in order to offend other pupils with his eggy farts.
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  17. bramblesarah

    bramblesarah New commenter

    I never take the mail at its word, but I have worked at schools with uni sex toilets and the open style. I went it them once on an inset day when there were no students and I felt very exposed. The students did use them but I think single sex should be available as well. Whenever go to a restaurant or coffee shop and I use the loo and I realise there is only one uni sex toilet, I cringe as I know there will be 'water' (I tell myself it's water) all over the floor and toilet seat.
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  18. catherinedavid

    catherinedavid New commenter

    This is a terrible statement and we should not be pandering to a very very tiny minority in the name of political correctness. It is time for toilets to be restored to normal and thereby restoring children's mental and physical health, especially the girls! We cannot allow this madness to continue, it is utterly degrading and unkind to our children.
  19. Stiltskin

    Stiltskin Lead commenter

    Aren't most disabled toilets unisex? Should these be made single-sex?
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  20. catherinedavid

    catherinedavid New commenter

    I disagree with gender neutral toilets. We should not be pandering to political correctness at the expense of our young girls mental and physical health. What right do we have to treat the younger generation this way? There is no absolute call for it at all and we need to campaign to restore our school toilets to normal. No girl should be embarrassed for nature's dealings and no child should be holding on all day for fear of going into a gender neutral toilet. Stop this madness now!!!
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